Are any winning MTT players (preferably higher than $10) willing to post their charts? Curious to see where people are at as far as ABI and BB/100.

Cheers

I haven't looked at my all time graph in about 2 years, but these were my mtt stats at that time over all game types:

~1k tourneys
~$5 avg buyin
~30% itm
~11% 1st
~12% roi

bb/100 isn't really a useful stat for tourneys.

bb/100 isn't a useful stat for donkaments really, if you get it all in pre with aces for 5k and win at 25/50, is it twice as good as doing the same at 50/100?

Obviously it's twice as good, you win 100 big blinds. Playing 50bb on 50/100 vs tougher opponents would be less rewarding and you can only win 50bb in that spot

That's not what I'm asking, bb/100 may not be as great for tournaments because you are really not in all that difficult of spots unlike other variants where ranges are much closer and wider and there is much more maneuvering post flop due to depth, but they are still valuable over large samples, hence why I ask for winning players and their graphs.

I don't know how ROI is any more useful as it can be just as prone to being skewed by massive scores, whereas bb/100 take a true measure of your ability to win.

Except that spot happens to everyone and over a large enough sample is irrelevant.

No, you're wrong.

There are many spots where I could shove or call an all in that would increase my bb/100 if I took those opportunities, however many of these shoves and calls would decrease my tourney ev by increasing my chance of busting out of the tourney.

So you're seriously saying that you're happy using a stat that, for 100 hands, could be +0.25 if I shove aces the last hand before a blind increase and win, but -0.25 if I do it one hand later? This isn't a cash game where everything is constant, there's no ICM and bb/100 correlates with profit exactly. Stop worrying about stats that have limited applications for your field of choice and start worrying about making correct decisions that increase your $$$

Sure thing buddy, let me know when you make a thread about ROI and I'll come into it and explain how bb/100 is a better metric and then post my bb/100 graph.

100 hands doesn't matter, it's sad that I even have to explain this, the idea that aces over 75k+ hands in a few different spots would make some massive difference or getting on the final table a few times would also make some massive difference (as if this doesn't happen to other players) is laughable.

Here's a clue though, if you don't want to post your graph, don't. I didn't ask whether or not bb/100 was a valid metric, it is a much better metric than other ones out there, I asked for graphs, so post or don't post ITT.

Why don't you attempt to explain it here?

ps you don't own the thread. It's not yours. It belongs to everyone and as such, I will continue to tell everyone that bb/100 isn't useful for determining tourney skill.

I think bb/100 is a little bit useful in showing that you can beat other tourney players, but it has a very low correlation with ROI due to the top-heavy payouts and massive variance. I played a donkament yesterday where I won at 49bb/100 and didn't even cash. :/
I think MTT crushers have winrates of 10-15bb/100 in the long run.

You could have a stellar bb/100 but if your bubble game sucks then your roi will suck too.

Basically done with this thread but if you can't get that decisions which have the most BBs involved in donkaments are those that have the least importance then good luck

It is true that if you are in a bubble situation the ICM constraint will often block you from pushing or calling quite profitable chip ev spots but don't forget that ICM can cut both ways.

If you are the chip leader you can profitably push many, many negative chip ev spots and this could and probably should make up for the mid stack blues.

Presumably after playing enough tournaments you get to see both sides of the ICM coin and the bb/100 stat should even up. Perhaps different playing styles may get people to the same roi but I suspect the better tournament players still manage very good bb/100 stats over large samples on average at heavy icm spots.

If these are correct negative chip ev shoves, then they will decrease bb/100 while increasing tourney ev.