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QQ standard line pre flop against unknown? QQ standard line pre flop against unknown?

10-14-2017 , 01:33 PM
So my standard line vs an unknown has been 3b/f. In position and oop.

Is this terrible or is this standard?
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10-14-2017 , 02:11 PM
It won't let me edit so to clarify this is 100bb deep at 10nl-50nl
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10-14-2017 , 02:31 PM
3b/f is terrible against anybody who has an even remotely balanced range.
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10-14-2017 , 08:12 PM
It depends where the raise is coming from and what position you are in (i.e. how many players are still to act). Sometimes I just call the initial raise, but mostly I 3-bet and then either call or 5-bet. There has to be a pretty good reason to fold to a 4-bet (by the initial raiser), but if that reason exists (e.g. villain is an ubernit that doesn't 4-bet AK) I wouldn't be 3-betting in the first place. Your 3-bet/folding range should be "bluffier" (e.g. A5s/76s). QQ is too good to treat it like it's a bluff.
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10-14-2017 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
3b/f is terrible against anybody who has an even remotely balanced range.

I basically never expect a balanced range at 5-25nl and maniac's are a small player percentage so while I agree with you I'm not sure that applies to this. Maybe not at 50nl there are some people in my database that look solid

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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
It depends where the raise is coming from and what position you are in (i.e. how many players are still to act). Sometimes I just call the initial raise, but mostly I 3-bet and then either call or 5-bet. There has to be a pretty good reason to fold to a 4-bet (by the initial raiser), but if that reason exists (e.g. villain is an ubernit that doesn't 4-bet AK) I wouldn't be 3-betting in the first place. Your 3-bet/folding range should be "bluffier" (e.g. A5s/76s). QQ is too good to treat it like it's a bluff.

Why would you not 3 bet if he will call with worse and always 4 bet with better? That is ideal as far as I can currently understand. When you 3 bet AQ from the blinds is it a bluff? I don't think it is since not many better hands fold. Just small pocket pairs and not many of those in micros. You're also out of position and unlikely to ever realize the entire equity of your hand for that reason and yet I think it's for value still and to take the lead. Are you calling 4 bets or jamming or do you always flat there readless? I usually 3 bet when in the sb. I tend to play nitty when I don't have solid info and so this is actually why I am asking this question. Only QQ and JJ really give me any doubts pre flop

Last edited by AceofLaid; 10-15-2017 at 12:17 AM.
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10-15-2017 , 10:45 AM
If I 3-bet any hand it's going into one of three groups when it faces a 4-bet. I'll either 5-bet, call the 4-bet, or fold to the 4-bet. QQ is sometimes flatting a 4-bet, sometimes 5-betting and stacking off, but hardly ever folding. But it's situational (I don't 3-bet in the first place in MPvUTG, for example), and the sizings also have an effect.
A hand like AQo or ATs/A5s/KQs would more commonly be 3bet/folds (raise for value/protection, but fold to a 4-bet because they don't do well vs a 4b range), especially OOP, but AQ sooted is often a flat when faced by a 4-bet. In the games I play, QQ is far too good to fold to a 4-bet, so I'm nearly always at least calling.
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