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01-19-2012 , 10:57 AM

chad0x001

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If you have just sat in. are dealt QQ in the big blind. someone raises from UTG + 1, BTN calls are you calling or raising? Im giving them a range of 17% and 25% in pokerstove which shows QQ is about 55% vs those ranges.

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01-19-2012 , 11:26 AM

TBobLP

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I'm raising 100% of the time

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01-19-2012 , 11:33 AM

zumby

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Originally Posted by chad0x00

Im giving them a range of 17% and 25% in pokerstove which shows QQ is about 55% vs those ranges.

17% what and 25% what? UTG+1 open% and BU flat%?

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01-19-2012 , 11:37 AM

ArtySmokes

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I'm calling 100% of the time.
I hate going broke on my first hand of the session, so I play very cautiously at first. I'm basically set-mining in this spot.
Raising is probably more +EV, but if I lose a big pot on my first hand, it affects the rest of my session.

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01-19-2012 , 12:34 PM

Big_Mick00

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3b and getting it in if someone shove or i 5b shove

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01-19-2012 , 03:59 PM

daveh07

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3-bet stack... you guys seriously going to flat this PF? What are you guys squeezing in this situation because I am squeezing an insane amount of hands here. Villain probably won't give you credit if it is your first hand in either and will be more likely to spaz out with TT, JJ and AQ.

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01-19-2012 , 11:09 PM

UKGrinderUK

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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes

I do this too. I think the EV effect of not losing a big pot early on in the session outweighs the lost EV of playing the hand in a less than optimal way.

Ill do the same with AK.

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01-19-2012 , 11:43 PM

GenKKenobi

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3bet

"They see me betting, they folding, hating, trying to catch me 3bet bluffing but I'm shoving. Cause I'm too LAGnTAGGn"

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01-20-2012 , 12:04 AM

Wraith

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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes

I like this stance. I prefer to be a bit more cautious with a hand that I can stack someone with if it hits. I play much more off people then cards, I just feel like I'll be in alot of spots where I can't make an easy decision. If later I find out they're both 40% vpip'rs then I would've regretted not 3betting, but if I lose a nice size pot early in the session my focus is diminished, so it's worth a small +ev to be highly +ev the rest of the session.

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01-20-2012 , 06:24 AM

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chad0x001

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for what its worth, Im all in pre 100% of the time.

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01-20-2012 , 06:30 AM

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nismo9

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Always raising. Cant see UTG+1 ever flatting your raise so if he raises you can safely fold. I also expect to be way ahead of btn's raise here so its not too bad if he calls, we can cbet/fold or double barrel depending on the board.

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01-20-2012 , 07:12 AM

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iflushi

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without any reads, im also always raising, if you might tilt by getting stacked first hand which leads you to play poorly the rest of the session then its perhaps +ev for you to flat, but in the long run raising is better as your collecting dead money is both fold and normally are a favorite if called against a standard opening range, if your re raised and you dont have any specific laggy reads on the opponent then its a fold.

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01-20-2012 , 10:42 AM

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chad0x001

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I would rather fold than flat because what kind of flop am I not calling a shove on? shove or fold up front and only folding because it might tilt you to lose a stack first hand so raise all in. with the best of it most of the time. I just dont think you can shy away from 55% chances when they come up and you will double up - or better.

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01-20-2012 , 11:45 AM

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zumby

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Originally Posted by chad0x00

I would rather fold than flat because what kind of flop am I not calling a shove on? shove or fold up front and only folding because it might tilt you to lose a stack first hand so raise all in. with the best of it most of the time. I just dont think you can shy away from 55% chances when they come up and you will double up - or better.

You're using Pokerstove wrong. What Pokerstove is telling you is how often you win if flop turn and river are dealt and everyone takes their current hand/range to showdown. Once you raise your equity changes, as villains continuing range will get tighter facing a 3bet.

But raising is best here, ldo, you can get called or 4bet by worse.

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01-20-2012 , 11:48 AM

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quux

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Grunch.

It's insane to not raise here. It's insane because you're forcing your opponents to make the best play.

I won't say raising is right in every possible situation (meta, villains habitually willing to blow off their entire stack with bluffs or top pair when no overcards hit the board), but it's damn close to zero.

Especially since there are two players to see that flop.

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01-20-2012 , 12:01 PM

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chad0x001

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I know I need to take into account a more specific situation than I originally stoves in but even then I'm going to be ahead of them more often than not.

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01-20-2012 , 12:19 PM

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spliffstar

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Originally Posted by TBobLP

I'm raising 100% of the time

this.

wow at even considering folding / flatting because it might tilt u if u lose the hand

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