Originally Posted by PaulyJames200x
I agree players don't jam as wide as snapshove. However, what about calling the shoves though?
When someone shoves utg with 10bb and everyone folds to you, it shows
you can call with
55+
a8s+
a10o+
kjs+, kqo
Is that really accurate? That seems to be a bit loose in terms of calling with a8s and a10o and Kjs.
-If that would be 3 off the button cash game, it would be like calling 3 bbs w/o implied odds. That gives an accurate enough range estimation to call with. It is just that if your opponent is e.g. a Russian or some EE-player, his full ring early range might look more like AK/TT when he goes 10 bb or even less all in.
Also i put down lojack jams 10bb.
If you are in the BB and folded to you, it shows you can call with
22+
a2s+, a7o+
k9s+, kjo+
qts+
j10s+
That seems WAY too loose. A2s, a7o, K9s? The player if they play according to nash would be shoving a2s, a8+ and k8s+ in that position.
-You can again correlate similarly. I am not a big fan of soft hands (and below average aces even vs. charts) against most players when all in, whether I am calling or shoving. Generally they are king high or suited. Even my hands tend to be Kx+ from most part (plus the best other hands perhaps, depending). Also thinking about what their calling range is. But as GTO, 10 bb moves around the area of calling normal raises in cash games but w/o implied odds. The rest is opponent and the tournament situation dependent, although making marginal things might not be the most +EV in soft games but maybe in hyper-turbos where you might not have time to wait.
Also could someone tell me in the lojack position with 10bb... what ace is the minimum to shove with? Pushfoldcharts shows a9o+. Snapshove shows a8offsuit.
-Compared to a 100 bb cash game, you can be a bit looser than that when opening with aces and pairs 10 bb all in, depending on antes and so on, that according to A9-8 doesn't seem to exist here, although not sure what lojack is anymore, but as cutoff with no ante, it seems fine. Maybe even 3 off the button with antes can use those minimums.
Using practical considerations in marginal situations probably makes more money, e.g. I am frequently not busting out when I make the right decision by not going with the marginal chart and haven't been sorry about it since but happily looking my position improving and getting a better hand when I still have time to wait.
Also is 87s in the lojack with 10bb a shove? According to snapshove it is... but its 98s according to pushfoldcharts. I want to know the exact push/fold range for 10bb.
-It is hard to say what to do with 10 bb. Maybe with good antes, useless tourney situation, possibility to steal (really?), you could go ahead and open all in with it. Other than that it looks more like a fold or a limp perhaps. You want to be all in with it vs. Q8 and so?
-Good luck with developing exact ranges, lol, although you will get there. Are there not some books also, I have many, and two more in the mail, that can think outside of the box additionally and put it in charts also, although I don't care, as too complex for me at this point, taking a look into Kill Everyone next and maybe then getting some bits every month from the raiser's book for heads up. Heads up ranges are the best headache to study and then adjust it to final two in MTTs.
Can someone answer these last few questions of mine? Frustrating when im not sure which chart to follow when shoving.
