Seems it is very rare you have the correct odds to call a draw unless you have multiple ways to win the pot (i.e., a flush draw as well as the chance to make a set). Am I right? BTW, I’m talking about cash game.

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Someone is about to learn a valuable lesson about implied odds.

Against bad opponents maybe.
Better opponents use a lot of small bet sizings.

But yeah, calling in poker is generally not a good thing.
Of course folding too much is worse.

Calling pre in the BB is a great example of this.
We're calling a very wide and weak range, not with the intention of actually winning money with that range, but with the intention to lose less than if we just fold pre flop too often.

Pot odds are rarely the whole picture unless you are talking about calling an all-in that closes action. Otherwise you have to consider implied odds (and reverse implied odds).

When calling an all-in, it is not uncommon to have 30% to 50% equity. It is usually pretty common to have sufficient pot odds to justify a call (a pot sized flop shove is going to require 33% equity or more to justify a call, an OESD against a made hand that has no redraws or blockers is right at 30%, a a flush draw would be almost 40%)

But yes, in normal game play, a call of a bet usually does not have sufficient likelihood that you will make your draw in the next card to justify a call if you are not considering future streets or future action

This may help you out

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...-odds-1169681/

easy solution, play omaha. then when you have a five card wrap and a flush draw it's impossible to be priced out.

It seems the only time you get the correct odds to call your draws is when there are a large number of people in the pot. However, shouldn’t you raise preflop to chase away some of the draws? Should I be limping more preflop?

Post hands.

You should not be limping more preflop. If it is folded to you, you should decide to play or fold. If you decide to play, you should raise. This is not to chase away some of the draws, because preflop you (and everybody else) have no idea what draws will be available. You are raising because you want to win the pot, and you are hoping either that you take it down without a fight, or you get people to put in money when they are behind.

Maybe click the link I posted in your other thread?

When you figure pot odds, are you figuring odds on making the BEST hand or figuring whether to CONTINUE with the hand? For example, say I have two overcards but two running cards will give me a straight. Should each of the straight cards be considered, “outs”?

Bold of you to assume people will still want to give you advice.

But on the slim chance you're going to actually take the advice, I posted a link in one of the many other threads that will take you to post giving you lots of info on that kind of thing.

No, each of the straight cards is not considered an out. You might consider a backdoor draw to be the equivalent of one out, because that is about the probability of both coming in.

Thanks for the civil response.

If a guy has 78o and the flop is 9T2 then he needs a 6 or a J in order to complete his straight, it means that one single card can give him the nuts.

however when the flop is 923 you need to get T and J on the turn and river necessarily in order to have your straight, which is much harder to happen. this can only be considered a straight draw if a T or J show up on the turn.

I believe you can summarize "outs" as a specific card of deck that if show up can put you ahead of the villain based on what you believe he might have. someone correct me if I'm wrong please



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just have to be careful in this specific example since a J won't always give him the nuts

Careful