Theres a lot of threads like this (plo vs nlh) but not really good recent ones.

Currently I play 2nlz and since a month or so i really started playing multiple hours a day, tracking, plugging leaks, studying concepts, etc (and actually enjoyed doing all this). and i feel like im improving at a very fast rate right now at NLH.

Just yesterday I thought about PLO and how its actually a very interesting game at first sight. Then i read quite some articles and threads about PLO and it seems like PLO has a lot more fish, probably wont be solved anytime soon, etc. and how it may just be "the only future of online poker". But that theres a lot more variance.

For someone that is interested in learning and getting better at some form of cash game online poker, would it be better to focus on PLO or NLHE (or maybe another variant), and why would this be? What are the advantages of the one over the other?

this means you will need more buy-ins to play it.

Do you want to eventually play live? live PLO is quite lucrative if you can get into the right games at the right stakes. playing micros then small stakes then perhaps moving up to mid stakes online to get better to prepare yourself for these live games could be a good plan of attack.

If you are just interested in making money and going from where the fence is the lowest, picking NLH is the best decision. If you, however, are playing for the money, you are basically a career player and should probably pick both.

You first get the bases with both and play at tougher places like at Stars zoom and form a personal opinion and then you can push further mostly the other. You will also consider NLH MTTs. And you will consider the other formats and the other forms, especially if not playing just for the money (they are less popular).

Not being clear about something is often a question for years and I wouldn't consider likings too much as they are not as solid as the popularity and ability.

PLO is harder to mutltiable (many do that w/o problems but they are talented fast thinkers when it comes to that type of information) and harder to learn (no solver or even math to answer the questions) and no guarantee you will. One is guaranteed to master NLH. If one doesn't understand the GTO of NLH, it is harder to play correct PLO either. NLH cash also forms the bases for NLH tourneys.

i can only speak from personal experience, i went from winning smallstakes 6m nl to mid stakes 6m nl and was making good $$ on top of the world, figured PLO was the future.
invested tons of time and effort w monker & nandez course. and eventually started winning at plo 6m but it was brutal and swingy and basically was like 4-5 months of break even/losing, which, as a pro/semi-pro is life crushing.

eventually i went into HU plo (which was even worse at points), and eventually went back to NL h.u for the consistency. now i pretty much play exclusively HU NL & HU plo

point is, if youre playing for fun & for the game absolutely ... take on plo, maybe even plo5, in the long run i dont know why it WOULDNT be the future. its a great idea to get into it now, IF you have the resources time & energy (or else youre burning $$ imho).
if youre playing as a pro/dependent upon the money... i hope youre prepared to make no profit for months & dont have suicidal tendencies.

if you do play it, some tips i would recommend and follow like the bible are : buyin short and RATHOLE *EVERY* TIME ur stack gets over 2x buyin. be a HNR scumbag, cheap and potentially profitable way to learn the game..

Interesting story. Isnt it normal though to be breakeven for a few months as a holdem player switching to PLO?

I dont really have fun playing holdem atm cuz its just a lot of folding and theres not a whole lot of playability postflop. Its really a "playing the player" game and cards dont really matter which makes huds kind of OP imo.

Did you find theres a lot of fish playing PLO? I heard that people have no clue what theyre doing and so it should be very profitable, also depends on the stake ofcourse.

Why does it have to be one or the other?

Well, it takes longer to reach a certain level of skill/stake with 2 games at the time than when fully focusing on 1 game right?

What would be an advantage to learning both games instead of going full omaha?

i agree you should go full omaha. Rugby Union and Australian rules football are totally different games with some similar skillsets. omaha and holdem are also totally different and the same in some ways. some players can play aussie rules and rugby at a top level while others can only play one game well.

lord p hasn't got what it takes to be good at omaha since he couldn't handle a 4 month swing. if you can handle the swings then go full omaha and push those small egdes you might have.

yeah full of players who want to punt more often than you can in hold'em.

if there is no plo games running learning holdem can be a asset. sometimes there's better holdem games too. live sometimes there rotate games.

Because then you become a poker player, not an NLHE player

be a PLO player.

Whatever you choose, it's much better to focus on one game at time. Both games are easy to learn, hard to master.

yes there are a lot more ridiculously -ev plays made at PLO, ie more bad players doing dum stuff.
equities run a lot closer, tho, so despite all that there are quite a few suckouts. in a nutshell the game is way softer and way swingier (obviously)

Doesn't this directly mean that PLO is a better game if looking at the long run? (say, 5 million hands) Swings will converge eventually and softer games mean higher bb/100 when that long run hits, right?

Yes, and no. IMO the fact that equities run closer + high rake environment at micro/small stakes lowers potential long-term winrate. Having said that, I'm a PLO fish so what do I know?

I would choose NLH because there is less variance than in PLO

how about heads up limit holdem?

Hi ramonnie, this is off-topic, but I've encountered you at NL2z a couple of times.
If you are planning to continue NLHE and interested in discussing (in het Nederlands) hands/strategy with someone that is also looking to move up in stakes like you, you can let me know. My name is hu4rolllz on stars.

Sure pm me m8 yours are closed

Great, could you add me on skype?
I cannot send pm's with this 2p2 account yet.

I'll be checking skype and playing on monday evening. Cheers.

RamonnieFlex #8673

sry for bump

short deck PLO and nothing is even close.

Which major online poker room offers that game right now?

THIS is a purely troll post.

I say this because R3 started a post within the past hours asking for strat advice for short deck PLO.

Do the math...he asks for advice an hour ago then comes in here stating that SHORT DECK PLO IS THE NUTS.

(perhaps we should take a poll on whether this is only Infraction-worthy.....or go the nuclear option)

Its a game that will take off. better learn now before it does and before the gto solvers hit the market.