hi, can anyone suggest any reasonable source where this strategy is explained? preferably 6max nl.

thanks a lot.

For 100BB+ NL cash games from any position other than the small blind?

FWIW, Pluribus didn’t limp at all (other than SB).

all positions ep-sb

I'm not sure you're going to find much on it. Mostly because it's a terrible idea. On so many levels I'm not sure where to start. There's a some people that will tell you some nonsense about "specific table conditions/etc" but I don't think that castle exists and if it does, my princess isn't there.

"Open limping is terrible" is triple true in 6-max.

Personally, I think open-limping is a relic from limit holdem.

If that was the case, the best players in the world wouldn’t do it under what you call “specific table conditions/etc”. One of those conditions would be “tournament, short stacks, significant ICM considerations”.

That’s why I asked if he was talking about 100bb+ cash games specifically. For that I don’t know about any strategy content, even though there’s probably a chance that a strategy exists at least for button play. People were wondering if Pluribus would open limp and it didn’t. Except for the SB.

Open limping as an exploitative play makes sense if an aggressive player behind you will take it as weakness and over-adjust by isoing you too wide.

From a theory standpoint it doesn't make any sense in positions other than the SB. I wouldn't do it unless you are experienced enough to ignore the advice you get in this forum and come up with your own reasons for breaking the rules.

Thanks

In terms of actual resources, I haven't been following poker strategy videos for a couple of years but I'm pretty sure Lefort's videos on RIO are still the gold standard for SB limping.

Unless this is low limit live, open limping from any position other than SB is bad.

I'm not sure there is much strategy for OL, or that it is better to OL than OR too often, but assuming you are playing mini-stakes, here are a few comments.

Adding some OL, wide, (no matter what cards you have, within sensible reason), gives you a greater chance to see five cards cheaply. Think of it as an ante or an extra table charge to buy that potential benefit, or even as playing at a higher base stake.

If someone raises behind you're not in much of a different position, (except that you might already have folded), and then you can decide whether to fold, call or reraise, dependant upon both the player involved and your cards - calling or reraising obv being choices you might not have had.

If no one calls or raises, you are playing in position against the BB, with BB having some concern that he is playing OOP in an unraised pot.

Otoh, if your limping brings in a couple or more other players, your connected cards and low pairs go up in potential value but your high pairs will not lose a huge amount of their playability over that if you had open raised with callers or a reraiser behind you.

You'll maybe need to add more semi-bluffing post-flop, and you can probably expect more bluffing by others. "Unusual" straights, flushes, sets and trips might be paid off more often.

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Edit: I am not suggesting you should play this way. I'm answering your question.

Note I play nano stakes STT

OL is something I never ever did, because BQ say no.

Now I do it all the time from EP with small pp because you know what...

75% of my opponents can't even spell "exploit" let alone know how to apply it in poker terms, so basically about 50% of the time you get this...

...when everybody limp behind

25% of the time you get to set mine profitably

...esp when a whale minraises....lolololololol, everyday, all day.

...and 25% of the time you fold pre at the cost of 1bb, when a reg iso correctly.

Its printing money people.

PS

Early blinds obviously, med/high blinds I can push/fold with the best of them.

None of which has any relevance in a low fish cash environment

PPS

Will this hold higher up, don't know...I'll get back to you (don't hold your breath).

There is a valid point for everybody here though. Don't follow everything in BQ...trial and error is sometimes (not always) + EV.

Minting. Coins are minted

I think you'll have a very hard time finding good (or even any?) resources on OL. I can't think of a single time I've heard or read that it's acceptable as a standard play - much less +EV. OldManDecaf's example of set mining is about the only time I could think of wanting to limp, and even then, I feel like you'll either get raised out preflop if your pair is too low or you'll allow too many callers in and someone will flop a monster that beats your pair (and even potential set).

How do we feel about limping heads up?

If I find myself top 2 of a tournament with 15-25 BBs I've been limping my entire range.

Well, most of the time we’re heads-up and have the option to limp, we’re also in the SB. Limping from the SB is certainly a thing and there are some training videos about it.

Depends heavily on the opponent and how they see you. Limping is a good way to get pushed out of the hand by a raise from the BB, but if your goal is to show weakness then come over the top, there's definitely potential there. If you can afford to limp draws and BB will check behind most of the time, that could be a good option.

Limping your entire range is pretty bad. You're allowing BB to realize his flopping equity for free with all of your good hands/steals. Having a limping strategy is okay and possibly better if you are good, but unless you've studied the topic just raise or fold. Most people do it badly if they haven't studied it.

Good to know.

Maybe I will scale it back to only doing it against aggressive opponents who want to raise me off my limps (so I can shove on them with my regular 10BB shoving range).

Yeah limping the button short in tourneys, sng's, spins, etc is standard (but not in deep stacked cash games). 15-25bb I'd be minraising though with a little bit of shoving closer to the 15bb range. Open limping is good strat around 8-14 bb's deep. And Nash shoving everything below 8bb's