Game is live $1/3 9-handed- $100-300 buy-in

I am in the BB villain is in MP

I bought in for max and have run it up to about $850. I am MAWG, pretty solid image but villain would not have known as he has just sat down from another table that broke. He has $700-Ish (also came from a $1/3 $300 max buy in table).

Folds to V in MP, villain raises to $12. Quite normal sized raise. Folds to me in BB, I have AhAd and raise to $40.

Heads up, V then reraises to $140 and it's back on me.

At this stage V has around $550 left.

Pot is $296

I flat because a reraise here screams KK+and I am concerned he is not pot committed and will fold.

Mistake ?

Sorry, second part:

At this stage I am putting him firmly on QQ/KK/AA or AK

Flop comes KsQs4c

I check, he shoves, I fold.

Any thoughts?

Did I put him in too narrow a range?

Was flop check bad considering I thought I was behind?

Ya, you screwed up dude. Should have got it in pre.

you played it well, now snapcall celebrate the flop. The reason you are flatting pre is not to keep QQ-KK in (they would call a shove anyway), but to keep the bluffs in, which you did. Now just snap off the flop.

also, if for some reason you decide to put him on QQ, KK, AA and AK exactly on this flop, you still have 46% vs that range, which means even then flop is a snapcall.

I'm not great with the maths part but after he shoved the flop my thinking was not AA because the odds of us both having it are so remote. Not AK (mainly because he looked conservative lol) so almost exclusively on QQ or KK. I figured I only had 2 cards to catch up so around 8%.

If he flops a set, do you think he bets you out of the hand? Do you think he can put you on AJss or ATss given that you called his 4-bet? What do you think that he puts you ob that he open shoves 500+ into a 300 pot?

Well you can't fold flop now. Flop fold is a huge mistake.

Preflop is a mistake too in my opinion but much less so. IME 4bet bluffs are very rare at this level, I don't think he's folding now. Given stack sizes I either min-raise or shove pre, not sure which.

You put him on these 4 hands, but you think he will fold if you 5-bet? How many people at live 1/3 do you think are folding one of those hands?

That's a good point. I just so rarely see a 5-bet shove at this level that I thought it might be the one thing I could do that could cause a fold.

This is where I am definitely starting to learn. I used to just think about my hand, then I started thinking about their hands, but am only just starting to think about what they might think about my hand.

Still not quite getting this. Are you saying that even if I had KK and QQ as a large chunk of V's range, I shouldn't be folding AA on a KQx flop??

But then you caused your own fold on the flop anyway. You should be fistpump snap-calling at that point.

Fold if his range is exactly KK/QQ. You have 50% equity against a more realistic range of QQ+/AK OTF so you can't fold.

Some villains you can remove QQ altogether, KK+/AK is another range in which case this is snippy snap call.

Some villains only 4bet KK+ in which case you are crushed but if you have enough information for that read you should 5bet pre.

Thanks, great answer.

Cheers

I think what everyone is trying to say is that you might as well just 5-bet GII pre if you’re just going to fold flop after calling the 4 bet to keep bluffs in. If your intention wasn’t to still get the money in on the flop then you should have just come in for a 5-bet pre. Just play ABC and put the 5 bet in next time for a readless villain.

You didn't have a read on villain - why get tricky when you have no reason to believe villain is getting tricky?

I thought all the way up to

it was going to be a bad beat story. Then I saw you folded.

Haha. No, promise no " I had AA, he had 63o, he won and life's not fair" kind of posts.

I don't like this out of position. Are you confident in your pre-flop read?

If you had position: the key here, BTW, is whether he's laying down KK or QQ to your pre-flop 5-bet. If he's putting the money in, then 5-bet just enough to get him pot committed for the rest.

Your read: 4-betters like this rarely have AK unless they are 4-betting all in; since they correctly deduce they may have to lay it down on the flop, giving up 2 of the 5 cards they need to make a pair. You don't run into 4-betters like this at the bottom stakes who are likely to have a non-premium hand. If he has JJ, surely he's got to fear the flop. I mean, if he has JJ then you do not; what hand can you possibly have? Lots of people will over-bet all-in with top-set. Yes, lay it down.