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Old 07-07-2009, 12:57 AM   #2351
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Ok, I am seriously wondering why everything you read from the experts says wait and be patient for strong hands yet I am losing with strong starting hands right and left. So much that I am losing to rags with AK more than 75% of the time even with preflop raises of 10x the big blind. So much that I have almost come to the point that I no longer want to play poker online. I do not lose 75% of the time when holding AK in live games and can't believe that online flops vary so much from live games that AK isn't a strong starting hand. It is hard not to believe that the poker site I am playing on is rewarding idiot moves by calling preflop raises with rags when I have lost an overwhelming amount of times to rags holding AK AA KK QQ and so on. Can someone please explain this to me?


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Old 07-07-2009, 01:01 PM   #2352
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Ok, I am seriously wondering why everything you read from the experts says wait and be patient for strong hands yet I am losing with strong starting hands right and left. So much that I am losing to rags with AK more than 75% of the time even with preflop raises of 10x the big blind. So much that I have almost come to the point that I no longer want to play poker online. I do not lose 75% of the time when holding AK in live games and can't believe that online flops vary so much from live games that AK isn't a strong starting hand. It is hard not to believe that the poker site I am playing on is rewarding idiot moves by calling preflop raises with rags when I have lost an overwhelming amount of times to rags holding AK AA KK QQ and so on. Can someone please explain this to me?
It would help if you were more specific about what game/limits you play, and probably should post the H/H from those specific hands. If I had to guess, you're not adjusting to the bad play of your opponents and can't let go of overcards/overpairs/tp hands and are winning small pots and losing big ones. Hard to say though, so post a hand or two.
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Old 07-08-2009, 03:37 AM   #2353
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Can someone explain how "deals" are made on sites like stars? I get the concept of chopping, just wondering if it's made in chat box or on 3rd party chat site.
(I am only questioning b/c wasn't sure about the terms & rules when it comes to situations like these and if they were against site rules?)
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Old 07-08-2009, 04:57 PM   #2354
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Can somebody tell me how to import sharkscope graphs to this site.
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Old 07-09-2009, 03:04 AM   #2355
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Hello ! I have been lurking for a while, and am still working my way through all of the stickies.... I have a really dumb question or two.

1) What is early or late position ? Is being on the dealer button early or late ? Is posting a blind early or late ?

2) When should you pay to see flop ? Or, do all starting charts/Hutchinson point system assume that you will use the guidelines to determine if you should see flop ?

3) What is a side bet ? What triggers a side bet ? How does this affect odds ?

I apologise in advance - but so far I have played 100+ hands of play money, and I frankly have no clue what the hell happened in a few hands where these issues came up. Sadly, I have yet to find tracker software that will analyse my play money hands...

Thanks in advance for your replies.
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:06 AM   #2356
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1) What is early or late position ? Is being on the dealer button early or late ? Is posting a blind early or late ?
Early position is usually considered the two to three seats after the Big Blind. So in a 10 handed table, if Seat 1 is the small blind and seat 2 is the big blind, seats 3, 4 (and sometimes) 5 would be considered early position. Late postion is usually the last 3 seats or so.

The button would be considered late position because it gets to act last on every round of betting after the flop.

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2) When should you pay to see flop ? Or, do all starting charts/Hutchinson point system assume that you will use the guidelines to determine if you should see flop ?
This question is vague and hard to answer. Besides telling you to read a book, I would tell you that it really depends on how good your starting hand is, the quality of your opponents and your position in relation to other people in the hand. One of the better bits of wisdom I've read is that you generally need a better hand to call a raise with than you do to raise yourself.


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3) What is a side bet ? What triggers a side bet ? How does this affect odds ?
If you mean side pot, this refers to a hand where 1 player is all in but has less money than the remaining players in the hand. so if player A has 100 while players B and C have 500, if player A goes all in during the hand, he can win up to 100 from each player that calls. His pot is the main pot. If players B and C keep betting, their wagers go in a side pot which player A is not eligble for (because he cannot call their bets).


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I apologise in advance - but so far I have played 100+ hands of play money, and I frankly have no clue what the hell happened in a few hands where these issues came up. Sadly, I have yet to find tracker software that will analyse my play money hands...

Thanks in advance for your replies.
While play money is good for learning the fundamentals of the game, the results of your play money sessions are not worth analyzing. There is theoretically no difference between playing poker for pennies and playing for thousands of dollars, there is definitely a psychological difference. Not to say there aren't bad players at every level.
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:35 AM   #2357
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Hello ! I have been lurking for a while, and am still working my way through all of the stickies....
Welcome, and thank god for someone who actually reads the stickies before they post.
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Old 07-10-2009, 12:46 PM   #2358
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Hey guys just a quick question about bankroll management. Over the past few weeks/month I've been grinding the the micros (mostly 2NL and 5NL) and have made close to 200 $ doing so. I want to continue grinding up the stakes but I am also interested in playing some MTTs. Now my question, should I make a separate bankroll to play these tournaments, so they don't slow down my progress in the cash games?

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Old 07-10-2009, 11:31 PM   #2359
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What game or collection of games does "HA" stand for? Is it pot-limit hold'em and PLO? If so, why?
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Old 07-11-2009, 10:03 PM   #2360
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Over the past few weeks/month I've been grinding the the micros (mostly 2NL and 5NL) and have made close to 200 $ doing so. I want to continue grinding up the stakes but I am also interested in playing some MTTs. Now my question, should I make a separate bankroll to play these tournaments...?.

well, there's bankroll management and "bankroll management". True bankroll management doesn't care where the money came from. Win it in the lottery or steal it from the girl scouts, if you have $x and a good winrate at (x/2000)nl, you are bankrolled.

If you have less, either from losing it in poker or blowing it on lottery tickets, you aren't bankrolled any more, and better move down.

Most beginners are using "bankroll management" to mean using your "bankroll" to help you decide what level to play. In this case "bankroll" is not really a bankroll, but simply a balance set aside for this purpose. To do this effectively, you should keep separate tabs on your cash game and tournament winnings. It doesn't have to actually be a different account, you can keep track on paper or in PT or whatever

So long as you have the means to deposit, you don't even need your "bankroll" to be in your poker account. If you're still winning money at cash, but losing it all in MTT (hopefully having a good time doing that), you can still use your cash winnings as a notional "bankroll" in terms of moving up -- the math of changing levels doesn't care where the money is. You'll have to get some cash into your poker account to do this, of course.

If depositing cash is an issue, then you're back to the true bankroll management problem of needing to maintain the funds to handle variance.
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Old 07-11-2009, 10:23 PM   #2361
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Where do these graphs come from?

(this is just an example, I know where this particular one came from!)



I googled "pokertracker EV graph" and sifted through pretty much every result, haven't had any luck finding this style of graph. I downloaded the "all-in calc" and got that running (http://www.pokertracker.com/forums/v...php?f=15&t=352) but it doesn't display a pretty graph like this.
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Old 07-11-2009, 10:23 PM   #2362
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2) When should you pay to see flop ? Or, do all starting charts/Hutchinson point system assume that you will use the guidelines to determine if you should see flop ?
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it really depends on how good your starting hand is, the quality of your opponents and your position in relation to other people in the hand...
not to mention the stack sizes of you and your opponents (if you're playing no-limit holdem), the playing styles of your opponents, what they perceive to be your playing style, specific recent history, and a bunch of other stuff.


There are systems to tell you the basics of starting hand selection, and quite a bit written about how to adjust to various factors. You might want to get a copy of a 2+2 book like Getting Started in Holdem or Harrington on Holdem (vol1), which have sections on starting hands aimed at beginners. Then play a lot, and read more. NLHE is too complicated to boil down to a single chart or point system that always works. It's a pain, but the upside is that if you study this, you'll have a big advantage over opponents who don't understand it well.



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3) What is a side bet ? What triggers a side bet ? How does this affect odds ?
A side bet would be a bet that is not part of the actual poker hand. You might make a side bet that the next card is black, or just about anything else. This doesn't usually affect the odds. An exception might be something like a last-longer side bet you have with someone playing in a tournament, where you might not call an all-in because winning the side bet carries more value at that moment than the small edge you think you have in the hand. Usually side bets that affect the odds of the game should be made illegal.
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Old 07-11-2009, 10:34 PM   #2363
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Where do these graphs come from?

(this is just an example, I know where this particular one came from!)



I googled "pokertracker EV graph" and sifted through pretty much every result, haven't had any luck finding this style of graph. I downloaded the "all-in calc" and got that running (http://www.pokertracker.com/forums/v...php?f=15&t=352) but it doesn't display a pretty graph like this.
That graph came from Holdem Manager (under the graphs tab, check the "Display all-in EV" option).

The idea is that once you are all-in, HEM can calculate your expectation in the hand precisely. This becomes the thinner line. The bolder line is your actual winnings. For other (not-all-in) hands, the thin line simply tracks your actual winnings. The idea is that you can keep track of your "luck" over time.

That's WGCrider? Hahaha! I'm not a fan, but not so much that I'm glad he's short $50K. I'm not quite sure of the particulars of HEM's calculator. There used to be a tool that attempted to calculate the expectation of every street (when it knows your opponent's cards because the hand went to showdown), but that seemed prone to distortion through selection bias.
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Old 07-11-2009, 10:53 PM   #2364
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That graph came from Holdem Manager (under the graphs tab, check the "Display all-in EV" option).

The idea is that once you are all-in, HEM can calculate your expectation in the hand precisely. This becomes the thinner line. The bolder line is your actual winnings. For other (not-all-in) hands, the thin line simply tracks your actual winnings. The idea is that you can keep track of your "luck" over time.

That's WGCrider? Hahaha! I'm not a fan, but not so much that I'm glad he's short $50K. I'm not quite sure of the particulars of HEM's calculator. There used to be a tool that attempted to calculate the expectation of every street (when it knows your opponent's cards because the hand went to showdown), but that seemed prone to distortion through selection bias.
He seems like a nice guy, but I haven't been around long. I just remembered seeing that graph, but people post them all over the place here.

It looks so similar to the PTR graphs that I thought I was just missing something.... 50 days left on my PokerTracker trial, I guess I'll have to wait 2 months before I can start the HEM trial and post graphs whining about how bad I run Then again, I don't think anyone can whine about running bad after seeing WCG down like $50k over 3 million hands or whatever.

Thanks!
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Old 07-12-2009, 08:13 AM   #2365
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Heres a dumb question and I am sure will get alot of responses HOW the hell do people play small suited cards IE: 3H 9H on a preraise 1k pot it really gets up my goat watching stupid players win against a AK or AA on a stupid 3 9 suited and hit a 3 9 flop also has anyone noticed the influx of russian players??? on pokerstars who donk more hands then I can ever remember seeing on Pokerstars.
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Old 07-12-2009, 02:18 PM   #2366
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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.487% 36.24% 00.25% 7446849 50385.00 { 9h3h }
Hand 1: 63.513% 63.27% 00.25% 13000029 50385.00 { AKo }


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 16.450% 16.25% 00.20% 1669011 21018.00 { 9h3h }
Hand 1: 83.550% 83.35% 00.20% 8562777 21018.00 { AA }
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Old 07-12-2009, 04:27 PM   #2367
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What does "3bet" mean?

Yeah its a dumb question but I think I came to the right place.
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Old 07-12-2009, 06:37 PM   #2368
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Actually, the right place would be here:

Beginners Forum Frequently Asked Questions
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Old 07-13-2009, 01:24 AM   #2369
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I had a question and then hope to get a link from someone

question what kinda of stats are typical of Loose Aggro players

and isn't there a thread where the discussion and write up is all about applying labels and identifying players according to their poker tracker stats and such if so does anyone have a link.

this is more of a 6 max question.
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Old 07-13-2009, 01:52 AM   #2370
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Bet sizing question....

UTG min raises and UTG+1 calls and I have AKo..how much bet do we make against these noob setminers
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Old 07-13-2009, 03:14 AM   #2371
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I need some help understanding the "Bet Count Table" in Harrington on Cash Games Volume I. Its on pg. 65 of the book. Can anybody give a better explanation of it.
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Old 07-13-2009, 10:44 AM   #2372
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i just started going on forums and using pt3 so plez dont hang me
is a c-bet a checkraise or when everyone checks to you and you attempt to steal the pot or what is it?
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Old 07-13-2009, 11:56 AM   #2373
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c-bet is a continuation bet. It's when you raise preflop and continue the aggression on the flop by betting
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Old 07-13-2009, 01:01 PM   #2374
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What is a smooth call?
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Old 07-13-2009, 01:47 PM   #2375
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I'm trying to find either a thread or perhaps a video from a training site regarding hud configurations/important stats for limit holdem. There seems to be a lot of information for no limit, but I can't find much for limit. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks
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