A program I have but never use called Holdem Indicator does real time pot-odds for you.

But that's about all it was good for, and quite frankly, I much prefer to do those calculations myself.

I'm not a total novice. I have played some in LV. I may go back online next year. I live in the US so deposits and withdrawals is an issue.

At one time I had Poker Academy 2.0 that I bought for about $10 from best buy and they had an online real time feature where the games were pretty good. It was more of a tournament and one had to build up points as I recall. I don't know if they still do that or not but I may try to dig that out.

One other thing. If I could find a site that allows "fun" play but allows people to meet up, I could actually organize some local games where we all put money in a pot and then pay it out like a sit and go. I have friends at a local tavern that like to meet and play but its hard to get everyone over at one residence sometimes.

Dumb questions I know. But that's why I am posting to this thread.

Thanks,
JBlately

Shrug, everyone else seems to manage. (I'm not in the US so I have no first hand experience one way or the other).

Sounds like you might be better of going to meetup.com or maybe Facebook and finding local players.

Only thing you might want to keep in mind is that if sites get wind of this, they may see it as rake avoidance. I've never heard of a site giving a damn (unlike say eBay) but it might be something to keep in mind if you plan to do this regularly. Obv getting a play money account banned is no big deal, but if you have any long term interest in Poker getting banned from Stars or FTP is kinda serious. Especially for an American since you don't have nearly as much choice. I'd stick with smaller sites or sites you don't mind being banned from because you'd never play there for real anyway (ie; Cereus).

Good advice. Thanks

CMAR: you didn't add my blog to the list

Anyways I got a q: How do prop bets work exactly?
(I'm thinking of starting one in the near future for grinding i.e. a certain # of hands per month or w/e, but I don't necessarily want to do one of those outrageous playing 50 hours straight so I guess it'll have to be based on my winrate o.O)

I usually edit FAQs and blog lists, etc, on Mondays.

Proposition bet

Not really sure what the question is.

NP I'm just nagging

I mean like I want some external motivation (aka $) to grind because I'll get lazy and such at times. Summer's coming up so I want to put in a ton of volume. At the same time I saw some prop-bets in BBV and for volume it's usually something outrageous like "+$ grinding 24-tables for 50 hours" or something like that and that's not what I'm looking for.

I guess I can just go for something like "I'll give you $500 if I don't play >50k hands this month" or something

Okay, give me $500 if you don't play >50K hands this month.

Do you grind?

I'd at least like to have it go both ways

I also can't do it this month because I'm in school and my finals end May 2nd

Sorry, I'm sure you're a great guy but I definitely don't go both ways.

LMAO!!!!

LMAO,

Also, thanks for all those posts and links CMAR, your time and dedication to the site is mush appreciated!

whats stalling

Waiting as long as possible before folding in the hopes other people bust out and/or the blinds increase. Used in bubble or pre-bubble situations in tournaments. (Once a tournament has gone hand for hand anyone stalling is an idiot).

My PT3 trial period runs out in 5 days. My plan was to try PT3 first and then trial HEM, before making a final decision. I am yet to begin my HEM trial. I am concerned that if I allow the PT3 trial period to end I will lose the data I have collected so far. I know it is possible to import from one to the other, but is this still possible once the trial period is over?

You won't lose the data. After you get the activation key the data is right there at your disposal.

I'd also keep the hand histories, but that's just me.

No, thats the thing - I may never get the activation key. If I trial HEM and decide that its better, I will dish out on HEM and abandon PT3 altogether. Also I don't know what you mean by keeping hand histories? Isn't this the same as keeping the data?

Ah ok, misunderstood that. PokerTracker has a feature where it moves the processed hand histories to a different folder, usually called "Processed". These are just the raw files it gets from the poker site client. If this is activated you can just take the files from there and feed them into HEM. Otherwise they should just stay in the poker client's hand history folder unless you delete them by hand.

Ok, just to clarify (sorry if I'm being a bit of a noob), what you're saying is that I can allow PT3 trial to expire, run HEM for a few weeks, and if I then decide to stick with HEM all the data I have gathered on PT3 (including hand histories) will still be available? How do I check if the "processed" folder is activated?

By default PT3 does not delete your hand histories. As long as you have all your hand histories (either inside your Pokerstars or Full Tilt folder under "hand history" or something... or inside your PT3 folder under "processed"), you will be fine. Go check these two places and make sure all your hand histories are somewhere on your hard drive. As long as they are, there is nothing the expiring of PT3 will do to you. Just make sure you know where your hand histories are, and if their are in the PT3 folder, copy them to somewhere else to be 100% certain.

Edit: Oh.. I see now that you dont really understand what I'm talking about. The "data" in PT3 is basically just all your hand histories (pokerstars_5775783475.txt type files) that have been parsed and uploaded to PT3s database. HEM will again go and parse your hard histories into its own database. Hand histories (all your .txt files) are your RAW data, and that's all you have to worry about keeping safely, regardless of the program you use.

Fullring standard situation:
No reads

MP2 ($0.78)
MP3 ($5)
CO ($0.94)
Hero (Button) ($4.94)
SB ($5.78)
BB ($5.35)
UTG ($1.56)
UTG+1 ($4.49)
MP1 ($0.88)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, K
6 folds, Hero bets $0.12, SB folds , BB raises to $0.48, Hero ???

He might think its a steal and raise me with ATC. If I raise him and gets re-raised, whats my move?

If the positions where different? Lets say I'm MP and CO raise?



If I count pot odds using the method cards left - outs /outs example with FD on flop: 47-9=38/9=4.222... Does that give me 1/4 odds or 1:4?

Hey, I own pokerstove and can do pot odds/implied odds, and know the approximate odds for most nl situations but was wondering where i can go to find out HOW you calculate the exact odds (of one hand beating another) in nl/ omaha hands even though its unimportant.. seems difficult.

1/4 is different than 4:1. If you're a 4:1 dog that means there are 4 bad outcomes for each good outcome. If you played 5 times, you'd expect to have 1 good outcome and 4 bad ones. Being a 4:1 dog means you will win 1/5 of the time.

As for the hand, you'll probably get better results in the microstakes NL forum.

If you want to compute the exact odds you have to go through all possible flops, turns, and rivers and see if any given board leads to one hand winning over the other or if you get a tie, and count these outcomes. Since there are 4 cards known to you - two sets of hole cards - there are 48*47*46/6 possible flops (the division by 6 comes in since we do not care in which order the cards appear on the flop), 45 turns, and 44 rivers. So if the flop isn't known yet as you consider preflop situations there are quite a lot of boards you have to look at. (A rough estimate would be in the order of 8 digits.)

There are a couple of shortcuts you can take, but basically this is what programs like pokerstove do.

This is a random question concerning PokerStars; when I practiced playing Omaha on play money in order to learn how the game worked, I noticed that in play money games it displays what hand you have on the right side above the fold/call/raise buttons. Yet for some reason it isn't present in real money games. Is there any way to have that going for real money games as well?