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 06-13-2020, 06:12 AM #14751 Foldjudge stranger   Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 9 Re: ***** Official Dumb Questions Thread **** Hi you beautiful people, my first post and I think it fits well in the dumb section. It's about preflop range matrixes. E. g. I found some for 6 Max CGs. But why do those matrixes not include the BB? Do I misunderstand something? Thank you so much and have a lucky time!
 06-13-2020, 08:01 AM #14752 KJD stranger   Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 9 Re: ***** Official Dumb Questions Thread **** I am very new, about a month of learning. I am using Advanced Poker Training. The bots are very "loose." If You face a very loose player when your equity calculation gives your hand a significant advantage over V's perceived range, let's say you have KsKh on a KdQcTd8d4s board, but V quickly escalates the pot, where and how does one decide to play to river or muck? My strategy, I experiment with different tactics, is now to barrel ahead against the "loose aggressive" players and fold if "loose passive" player bets or raises on the turn. Thanks for any help.
06-13-2020, 08:04 AM   #14753
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 Originally Posted by Foldjudge Hi you beautiful people, my first post and I think it fits well in the dumb section. It's about preflop range matrixes. E. g. I found some for 6 Max CGs. But why do those matrixes not include the BB? Do I misunderstand something? Thank you so much and have a lucky time!
They're probably listing open raising ranges, which is impossible to do from the BB

06-13-2020, 10:14 AM   #14754
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 Originally Posted by sixfour They're probably listing open raising ranges, which is impossible to do from the BB
Ahh, alright, thank you for the quick reply. I now read it again and I noticed, that they recommend to use the CO-Matrix playing from the BB. But I don't really see what's the reason behind this recommendation?

 06-13-2020, 05:32 PM #14755 MMSS Pooh-Bah     Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 4,613 Re: ***** Official Dumb Questions Thread **** If it is an online resource it may help to link to it so people can answer your question better.
06-14-2020, 05:26 AM   #14756
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 Originally Posted by MMSS If it is an online resource it may help to link to it so people can answer your question better.
Hi, yeah, you're right. It's out of an Poker Trainer App, so I quote it and leave a screenshot of the CO-Range.

"Opening ranges: In these scenarios no one has raised yet. If someone has just called the Big Blind (limped) you can raise with the opening range from the Cutoff."

06-14-2020, 10:12 AM   #14757
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 Originally Posted by obviously.bogus No Shanoobigans style games ??? (and associated LC/NC threads ???) Time has passed, and maybe the world has moved on, but is there any chance of reviving fun games for readers of BQ? I know that the "Official Dumb Questions" thread maybe isn't the place to ask, but the actual question is, where/who/how/when is the best way to promote the idea of forum games ...
I'd be well up for it, but I've not seen a lot of the people who were keen at all since coming back to poker.

06-14-2020, 10:52 AM   #14758
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 Originally Posted by Foldjudge http://www.bilder-upload.eu/bild-90c...26830.jpg.html Hi, yeah, you're right. It's out of an Poker Trainer App, so I quote it and leave a screenshot of the CO-Range. "Opening ranges: In these scenarios no one has raised yet. If someone has just called the Big Blind (limped) you can raise with the opening range from the Cutoff."
I don't really know, probably just a bit of laziness or these days maybe that is what sims actually suggest (or close enough). I would have thought a BB raising range against a limper would be pretty dependant on which position limped, how many people etc. So if I had to guess I'd say laziness but for a new person it probably isn't an awful starting point.

06-14-2020, 02:16 PM   #14759
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 Originally Posted by MMSS I don't really know, probably just a bit of laziness or these days maybe that is what sims actually suggest (or close enough). I would have thought a BB raising range against a limper would be pretty dependant on which position limped, how many people etc. So if I had to guess I'd say laziness but for a new person it probably isn't an awful starting point.
Thank you so much, yeah maybe that's it. For my purpose as a beginner it's enough for sure, but good to hear that it's not that simple as a matter of fact! Thank you!

 06-15-2020, 04:42 PM #14760 MMSS Pooh-Bah     Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 4,613 Re: ***** Official Dumb Questions Thread **** So I never really got my head around the chest rewards because I didn't ever really play so it didn't matter, as I'm grinding a bit now and plan to over the holidays I'm a bit confused. I got my 10 blue chests as I went from 2-16nl, then at 16nl I was getting 1250 chests then when I got my 7th it went to 5950 which google is telling me is the nut worst from a Nov 2019 article. Did anyone ever actually figure out how this worked? I was expecting my chests to get worse but 5x?
 06-15-2020, 06:19 PM #14761 Foldjudge stranger   Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 9 Re: ***** Official Dumb Questions Thread **** Hi you beautiful people, another one for the dumb section. I read, that counting bets starts with the blinds and furthermore I read, that a raise can therefore be called 3bet. Now I'm really confused, because what is the second bet called, simply a "bet"... and why isn't a 2bet a raise too? Hope it isn't even too dumb for the dumb section. Thank you so much once again!
06-15-2020, 06:24 PM   #14762
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 Originally Posted by Foldjudge Hi you beautiful people, another one for the dumb section. I read, that counting bets starts with the blinds and furthermore I read, that a raise can therefore be called 3bet. Now I'm really confused, because what is the second bet called, simply a "bet"... and why isn't a 2bet a raise too? Hope it isn't even too dumb for the dumb section. Thank you so much once again!
The bb is known as a 1bet.
The first person to raise has 2bet.
The third person to raise has 3bet.

So a 2bet is a raise and it is more commonly called a bet.

There was a thread about it not that long ago.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...5-bet-1768371/

 06-15-2020, 08:12 PM #14763 Foldjudge stranger   Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 9 Re: ***** Official Dumb Questions Thread **** Thank you, next time I look more thorough!
 06-15-2020, 11:17 PM #14764 Mr. Big Stack centurion   Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: West Palm Beach, FL Posts: 143 Re: ***** Official Dumb Questions Thread **** Is there a thread that explains how to use the posting tools? I don't know how to place a spoiler in my post. I don't see a button for it in the toolbar. I don't know how to quote multiple posts in my posts.
06-15-2020, 11:34 PM   #14765
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 Originally Posted by Mr. Big Stack Is there a thread that explains how to use the posting tools? I don't know how to place a spoiler in my post. I don't see a button for it in the toolbar. I don't know how to quote multiple posts in my posts.
On the tools above where you post there is a button with Sp.

If you write something, highlight it then click the Sp button it will put it in a spoiler.

If you prefer writing it the code is [*spoil]Text here[/spoil*]

But remove the *

Spoiler:

 06-16-2020, 10:51 AM #14766 King Spew Antici     Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: pation Posts: 13,470 Re: ***** Official Dumb Questions Thread **** There is a multiquote button next to the Quote button. Find the posts you want to quote and hit the multiquote button. To finish, click the Quote button on the last post you want to include.
 06-24-2020, 06:36 AM #14767 Slowmash stranger   Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 1 Re: ***** Official Dumb Questions Thread **** Lets say optimally pre-flop you should be raising from the button in a certain situation 30% of the time. Does this just mean with the top 30% of hands, or 30% of the time? I recognise that in the long run, you could do that and it would work out, But lets say you are just getting absolutely card dead. Should you be actually trying to steal/raise with lower quality hands to equal that optimal percentage? Or does that optimal percentage only really mean raising the top 30% of hands?
06-24-2020, 06:44 AM   #14768
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 Originally Posted by Slowmash Lets say optimally pre-flop you should be raising from the button in a certain situation 30% of the time. Does this just mean with the top 30% of hands, or 30% of the time? I recognise that in the long run, you could do that and it would work out, But lets say you are just getting absolutely card dead. Should you be actually trying to steal/raise with lower quality hands to equal that optimal percentage? Or does that optimal percentage only really mean raising the top 30% of hands?
It means raising situationally the best 30% of hands. This isn't just the top 30% ranked equity-wise, and may include mixing some hands between raise and fold strategies.

Being card-dead shouldn't affect your strategy. That's tilt.

06-25-2020, 10:52 AM   #14769
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 Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle It means raising situationally the best 30% of hands. This isn't just the top 30% ranked equity-wise, and may include mixing some hands between raise and fold strategies. Being card-dead shouldn't affect your strategy. That's tilt.
Being card-dead is a factor that one can take into account. How do you know it is not optimal to do this? Did you run the calculations for that? From an exploitive standpoint it is good too vs an opponent that adjusts to tendencies. Lets say you play against a nit who calls/raises very very tight vs other tight players but not so vs loose players. You can exploit this player by mixing in raises with trash to get him to fold for auto profit maybe.

06-25-2020, 08:29 PM   #14770
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 Originally Posted by lkr95 Being card-dead is a factor that one can take into account. How do you know it is not optimal to do this? Did you run the calculations for that? From an exploitive standpoint it is good too vs an opponent that adjusts to tendencies. Lets say you play against a nit who calls/raises very very tight vs other tight players but not so vs loose players. You can exploit this player by mixing in raises with trash to get him to fold for auto profit maybe.
you've just described a strategy where you're not changing your strategy based on how card-dead you are, you're changing your strategy based on your opponents.

06-25-2020, 08:41 PM   #14771
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 Originally Posted by lkr95 Being card-dead is a factor that one can take into account. How do you know it is not optimal to do this? Did you run the calculations for that? From an exploitive standpoint it is good too vs an opponent that adjusts to tendencies. Lets say you play against a nit who calls/raises very very tight vs other tight players but not so vs loose players. You can exploit this player by mixing in raises with trash to get him to fold for auto profit maybe.
You have no idea what a sample is. Badly adjusting. Live this may have more merit, but I doubt people doing it aren't spewing.

 07-08-2020, 02:06 PM #14772 motherdad stranger   Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 2 Re: ***** Official Dumb Questions Thread **** hey all. i do want to get into PLO and Hold 'em. What are some good milestones/goals to set for myself before starting my adventure in the online poker world? Should i get some local play going until I trunch them? For now ill be reading up on the subjects to get an idea on how the process goes then look into the math behind starting hands etc. Any point in the right direction will help. thanks
 07-15-2020, 12:04 AM #14773 BigErn1010 stranger   Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 1 Re: ***** Official Dumb Questions Thread **** Not sure how to post hand. I want to know how bad I played this hand, if I could have found a fold? And why? Ignition - 5000/10000 NL - Holdem - 9 players Hand converted by PokerTracker 4 MP: 25.86 BB MP+1: 58.01 BB MP+2: 11.24 BB CO: 15.86 BB BTN: 46.24 BB SB: 114.61 BB BB: 40.33 BB UTG: 9.41 BB Hero (UTG+1): 37.09 BB 9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) BTN has A A Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has Q K fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 2.2 BB, SB calls 1.7 BB, BB calls 1.2 BB Flop: (9.7 BB, 4 players) 7 9 K SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 6 BB, BTN raises to 43.94 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, Hero calls 28.79 BB and is all-in Turn: (79.27 BB, 2 players) J River: (79.27 BB, 2 players) 5 BTN shows A A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 82%, Flop 76%, Turn 80%) BTN wins 79.27 BB
07-15-2020, 02:49 AM   #14774
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 Originally Posted by motherdad hey all. i do want to get into PLO and Hold 'em. What are some good milestones/goals to set for myself before starting my adventure in the online poker world? Should i get some local play going until I trunch them? For now ill be reading up on the subjects to get an idea on how the process goes then look into the math behind starting hands etc. Any point in the right direction will help. thanks
Study stack sizes. Learn to convert your stack to BB's.

For example

Blinds are 1000/2000.

You have 20000 chips. 20000/2000 = 10 big blinds. if you had 20300 you can just say you got 10BBs.

10 big blind play is different than when you have 40 big blinds. 100 big blinds plays even differently.

Counting opponents stacks is also a skill needed because you wanna know how many big blinds they got.

07-15-2020, 09:56 AM   #14775
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 Originally Posted by BigErn1010 Not sure how to post hand. I want to know how bad I played this hand, if I could have found a fold? And why? Ignition - 5000/10000 NL - Holdem - 9 players Hand converted by PokerTracker 4 MP: 25.86 BB MP+1: 58.01 BB MP+2: 11.24 BB CO: 15.86 BB BTN: 46.24 BB SB: 114.61 BB BB: 40.33 BB UTG: 9.41 BB Hero (UTG+1): 37.09 BB 9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) BTN has A A Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has Q K fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 2.2 BB, SB calls 1.7 BB, BB calls 1.2 BB Flop: (9.7 BB, 4 players) 7 9 K SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 6 BB, BTN raises to 43.94 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, Hero calls 28.79 BB and is all-in Turn: (79.27 BB, 2 players) J River: (79.27 BB, 2 players) 5 BTN shows A A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 82%, Flop 76%, Turn 80%) BTN wins 79.27 BB
assuming there are no ICM factors I'm not folding here

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