Can some one please post a situation where reverse implied odds are pertinent to calculate?

Thanks in advance

JT

On twodimes.net how do you input random cards for hands? I remember doing it all the time but it doesn't seem to say on the site.

You have KJ and villain has KQ on a low flop. Most of the time you're happy if a K shows up but not this time...

AFAIK you can't (I never have and I've been using it for years). You need to us PokerStove.

Fixed the probem with PT3, had to start the data base from program files. Another Error came up again and it wont read pokerstars hands. I decided to give you guys a break and look on the website. Was told that I needed the latest Beta. Beta 17.

You all need to see this, it is epic, imo

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/.../?referrer=2p2, it is a free video. (mods this is a tracked link with the 2p2 forum deal)

That's impressive.

I'm embarrassed to ask, but I took 3 years off and forgot how to think of some stuff easily. Like implied odds. Roughly the third thing you learn in hold'em.

LHE: I'm heads up on a K72r flop, with 55, and my opponent has kindly shown me AKo. It's 16:1 for me to call. If I hit on the turn, I expect to take 4 SB from my opponent there and 2 SB on the river. If I miss on the turn, I fold. So I can call cause I'd need 22:1 to call.

That's all there is to it, right? I'm trying to explain this to someone at work and I honestly feel ******ed

You got it. You're just adding what you expect villains to contribute to the pot on future streets to what's already in the pot. Since you're folding the turn if you miss and know it's only costing you one bet, it's easy-peasy.

Points taken. I guess my real question is assuming that I am making money (currently my <$2 is now >$200), at what point relative to the ~$900 I've invested can I consider myself a good player? Do I have to get all the way to the black (make $900)? How long of a consistent track record of positive cash flow account for a "good" player and not just a hot streak? It may be months before I accomplish earning all my initial starting cash back: do I have to wait that long to feel proud of myself?

Yes.

For a "good player", $900 is not really all that significant.

100,000 hands.

And really, it's all relative. While it's an accomplishment, being a winning 2NL player is not really brag-worthy...

You can feel proud whenever you want to. You can feel proud that you've started taking steps to improve. You can feel proud that you've stopped losing money.

It's not really up to us. None of this really has anything to do with us. If you keep looking for other people for validation you're going to be disappointed. Particularly in poker. There is considerable camaraderie and fellowship to be found on 2+2, but ultimately poker can be a very lonely game.

what CMAR said ^^^^

FWIW, are you really asking whether you're "good" or not? I think I'm just echoing what CMAR said but there are, in my mind, two things that you should be asking yourself:

1. Am I a winning player?
2. Am I consistently making +EV decisions?

If the answer is #2 is "yes," then it doesn't really matter whether you have a positive win rate or not. But there obviously is a strong correlation between making +EV decisions consistently and winning poker. Over time, you'll have a positive win rate.

So the question becomes, in the shorter term, can you draw any inferences from your win rate? And while I think that you can, only by objectively considering your decisionmaking can you get a more reliable answer to this question.

In other words, if you have a positive win rate after a million hands, you can feel confident you're a good player. If you have a positive win rate over 10k hands, I think you can feel confident you're a good player only if you also have some insight into the quality of your play. And it's a sliding scale, obviously, so the more hands you have the greater you can be confident you're a good player based on your win rate alone.

But it's hard to be objective about your own play, which is why it helps to participate in strat discussions on the forum. If your play is consistently criticized by people who know what they're talking about, perhaps you're not as good as you think. If you don't understand why you're making the decisions you're making, that's another clue.

And what CMAR said about "good" being relative is right. Yeah, you're good compared to your mom who never played poker. You're good compared to the drunk guy at 2NL who put $50 on pokerstars and drank a case of beer while he reraised the turn with second pair. But you probably suck compared to many of the people on this forum, most of the people playing 200NL, anyone you watch when you turn on TV, and Dustin Hoffman's character from Rain Man who is probably a damn good poker player, too.

Anyway, this getting way tl;dr. Short version: if you sustain a positive win rate over many, many, many hands, you can call yourself good if you want to. In the absence of that many hands, you have to be very honest with yourself about the quality of your poker decisionmaking.

are there some "rules" for etiquette when posting threads/questions on this site that might increase the chances of getting a response? are there certain things that the crafty veterans of 2+2 will be more likely to respond to? does my low post number make me ineligible to receive certain information? i ask because i posted a thread on what i thought was a legitimate question, and so far all i've got is lurkers, and no responses. perhaps the lurkers are seeking the same info that i am? any help w/ this would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance.

Maybe no one has the information you're looking for?

Also, maybe the information is otherwise available by doing a forum search. Have you tried searching the forum, first?

I read your post. Your question was very specific. Don't take it personally that no one answered.

If you want more responses, imo participate in more discussions. That usually works.

But gl finding the information you're looking for and welcome to the forums.

I just checked your other post - Not to put too fine a point on it, but, you asked a pretty obscure question that you could probably have answered for yourself in five minutes on Google or at worst a couple phone calls.

The reason nobody's answered is likely because nobody from NW Indiana has read your post. Or even if they have, they don't have that information at their fingertips and would be getting that information the same you could.... By finding casino websites and looking up schedules or by calling the casinos.

Definition plz: Swong

Urban dictionary seems to say some particularly penis-type looking graphs, but it seems used for any major up or downswing in results?

Yes swong is just another word for swings.

Swong=swing, I think originally from "dinswong," an interwebz spelling of "downswing." Although now I believe it applies to upswings, as well.

Stupid Question: On PT2 how do you guys make those graphs? I know that there is the little box with G that creates graphs but i can never configure them properly. The Closest i can get is Running profit on the left and Hand Start Time along the bottom. How do i get Running Profit and Total Hands at the same time?

PT2 graphs are made using PokerGrapher.

PT3 and HM have built in graphing.

When pt/hem stats show $/100 is that profit per every 100 hands? Should this be the same value as BB/100?

Yes

Only if the BB is exactly $1 and that is the only game you play ... yes?

I think PT3 still uses "big bets" per 100, which is double the big blind. In pt2 there was a switch to fix the no-limit big bet/big blind confusion, but most people didn't use it.

Ah OK sorry, and thanks for that - I still use PT2 (and play limit) so am used to BB = big bet = 2*bb/big blind

flushes count against you in 2-7 lb right?