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08-13-2010 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Namingishard
Im pretty sure this a ******ed question but...What use are pot odds (excluding implied pot odds) when standard betting sizes are 1/2, 2/3, 3/4 the pot? You never have a 50% draw.
A flush draw is 17%, when does anyone ever bet <=17% the pot?
Well, basically, if someone bets 1/2 the pot, we can win 2x pot by calling 1/2 pot. So we get 1/4 pot odds(call 1 unit to win 4 units). So if you win more often than 1/4 of the times, you will make a profit. Basically, if you have more than 25% equity in the pot and villain bets 1/2 pot, you can call.

You're trying too hard to work with the numbers and that's getting in the way of your logical thinking. Think about this: how much would villain have to bet for it to be bad to call with 55% equity?
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08-13-2010 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Namingishard
Im pretty sure this a ******ed question but...What use are pot odds (excluding implied pot odds) when standard betting sizes are 1/2, 2/3, 3/4 the pot? You never have a 50% draw.
A flush draw is 17%, when does anyone ever bet <=17% the pot?
Bad players min bet and min raise all the time.

You're also not considering short stacks...
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08-14-2010 , 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Namingishard
Im pretty sure this a ******ed question but...What use are pot odds (excluding implied pot odds) when standard betting sizes are 1/2, 2/3, 3/4 the pot? You never have a 50% draw.
A flush draw is 17%, when does anyone ever bet <=17% the pot?

Board: 9d 5d 4s
AdTd: 53.7
9h8h 46.2

Hitting an overcard can count as a part of your draw. Two overcards and a flush draw is often a favorite over top pair.
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08-14-2010 , 09:50 AM
which website is the one recommended to use for full tilt rakeback? i google "full tilt rakeback" and so many links show up and I don't know which one to use.

I was looking through a few of these rakeback websites and one of them says to "delete cookies first." how does one do this?

Thanks for the help
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08-14-2010 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by dr. ship it
which website is the one recommended to use for full tilt rakeback? i google "full tilt rakeback" and so many links show up and I don't know which one to use.

I was looking through a few of these rakeback websites and one of them says to "delete cookies first." how does one do this?

Thanks for the help
This one is pretty great:

http://www.fastrakeback.com/rakeback...ilt-Poker.aspx

1. Standard 27% rakeback
2. Free HEM
3. Free 3 months of cardrunners
4. Can still get the up to $600 dollars first deposit bonus


I use it and the affilliate is solid, and everything worked like a charm. Be advised though clearing $100 of MGR for the extra bonuses(HEM and CR) is tough if you play the absolute lowest of uNL.


As for cookies, it's dependant on your browser but it's usually somewhere in the options -> history/privacy
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08-14-2010 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Nuca-Cola
I've got a bit of ethics/moral question. When I play heads-up SnGs, people get disconnected sometimes and I get to steal their blinds. How long should I wait for them to reconnect before starting to do so? 5 min? More? Less? Don't wait at all?
Doesn't the rising blind structure and clock ultimately decide how long you can 'wait'. How do you know your opponent hasn't decided to leave?

Regardless, I used to experience this frequently when Playing heads up at the end of a 10man SnG. The only thing I can think of is that being disconnected is a variable outside both players control - and all things being equal it could happen to either of you - so from a moral and ethical standpoint I think you should be okay with soaking up those blinds while your opponent is 'unavailiable' because it's just as likely that the situation could be reversed.

For your own peace-of-mind you could do it as slowly as possible by using up every second of the clock when it's your turn to give you opponent a chance to return if it makes you feel better.

I remember once an opponent who I'd been chatting with (a friendly sort) got disconnected and he came back just before I'd hoovered up all his chips. I told him to take my blinds until we were back to where we were when he got disconnected so we could finish it more fairly (can't even remember who won in the end).

Interesting question though.
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08-14-2010 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JustinJude
For your own peace-of-mind you could do it as slowly as possible by using up every second of the clock when it's your turn to give you opponent a chance to return if it makes you feel better.
That's what I was thinking about. Simply pressing the "raise" button as soon as possible is kinda bad, cause in the end you steal his whole buy-in.
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08-14-2010 , 05:25 PM
Quick question I've been thinking about.

In a live game, when a hand goes to showdown, the person in position gets to decide whether they want to muck their hand or show it if it beats the villain and the same thing happens online.

However, online pretty much all the sites show those mucked cards to you in the resulting hand histories, but in live it is mucked and the opponent can't see your mucked cards.

Anyone know why online sites show mucked cards after the fact in the hand histories when that goes against basically the meaning of mucking the cards? Or is there a rule in live play where you can ask to see mucked cards? I'm just wondering since I haven't played live and this seemed weird to me.
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08-14-2010 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by blahblahblahh
Quick question I've been thinking about.

In a live game, when a hand goes to showdown, the person in position gets to decide whether they want to muck their hand or show it if it beats the villain and the same thing happens online.

However, online pretty much all the sites show those mucked cards to you in the resulting hand histories, but in live it is mucked and the opponent can't see your mucked cards.

Anyone know why online sites show mucked cards after the fact in the hand histories when that goes against basically the meaning of mucking the cards? Or is there a rule in live play where you can ask to see mucked cards? I'm just wondering since I haven't played live and this seemed weird to me.
You are technically allowed to see the hand if you ask in a live game, but it's typically considered bad etiquette/needling to ask to see a losing hand.

You do see it happen from time to time though.
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08-15-2010 , 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by zaiga000
If I read it correctly the premise is that you raise all-in (so there is no turn and river decision) and both opponents call. In that case your bet constitutes less % of the pot than your equity % and this move will make you money in the long run.
Thanks zaiga000 but I was wondering more what would happen if you just raised (not to being all-in). I probably should've posted this in the theory section though
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08-15-2010 , 07:43 AM
When using a program such as PokerStove, if you're playing ABC poker, is it always +ev to raise anybody when your hand is positive equity vs. their PFR (or a group of people vs. each of their PFR/VPIP stats?

Edit: also, does this mean if action has folded to you in the SB, you should raise with any hand that has positive equity against the BB's VPIP (I've heard you should raise even with napkins blind vs. blind in limits such as mine (NL25), is this also a good habit)?

Thanks for your help
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08-15-2010 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Lenny-T
This one is pretty great:

http://www.fastrakeback.com/rakeback...ilt-Poker.aspx

1. Standard 27% rakeback
2. Free HEM
3. Free 3 months of cardrunners
4. Can still get the up to $600 dollars first deposit bonus


I use it and the affilliate is solid, and everything worked like a charm. Be advised though clearing $100 of MGR for the extra bonuses(HEM and CR) is tough if you play the absolute lowest of uNL.


As for cookies, it's dependant on your browser but it's usually somewhere in the options -> history/privacy
would i be eligible for this if i played on full tilt, won 3 dollars in a free roll but never played again?
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08-15-2010 , 08:33 AM
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would i be eligible for this if i played on full tilt, won 3 dollars in a free roll but never played again?
I don't think so, it usually only applies if it's the first account you create on the site. Seeing as you already have an account, you can't create one through this deal.

You can probably still take advantage of the first deposit bonus and if you didn't sign up through an affilliate you may be able to get rakeback by e-mailing fulltilt, but because you already made an account you won't be able to get free HEM and CR, AFAIK.

You could ask here to be sure:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/12...keback-491718/
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08-15-2010 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by oomalikoo
would i be eligible for this if i played on full tilt, won 3 dollars in a free roll but never played again?
I actually think you can do this if you have never deposited real money into your account. I saw this in the FAQ of a rakeback provider somewhere, possibly this one.

If that fails, there is a thread in the rakeback forum for setting up an existing account with rakeback as long as you are not attached to an affiliate.
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08-16-2010 , 01:12 AM
Hi folks, you know when a flop raise is called by villain we might describe it as him 'floating the flop' when he calls a 2nd raise on the turn - is that also a float or does that action have a different name?
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08-16-2010 , 01:20 AM
Floating is calling a bet not a raise. Calling a raise is just... calling a raise...
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08-16-2010 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
Floating is calling a bet not a raise. Calling a raise is just... calling a raise...
Apologies, I got my terminology wrong, I meant villian calling both flop bet and a turn bet - are they both floating?
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08-16-2010 , 01:43 AM
Floating is calling is bet with the intent to take the pot later with a bet or a raise. This happens most often on the flop but is not limited to the flop.



(Yeah, don't use "bet" and "raise" interchangeably, they're very different).
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08-16-2010 , 01:49 AM
Thanks for answer - I often get 'bet' and 'raise' ass-ways, need to sharpen up when it comes to terminology.
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08-16-2010 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Kallak
When using a program such as PokerStove, if you're playing ABC poker, is it always +ev to raise anybody when your hand is positive equity vs. their PFR (or a group of people vs. each of their PFR/VPIP stats?
No, this is too simple. You also have to consider what they are going to fold to your raise and what they are going to call and raise with. When you raise someone you generally let them fold their worst hands and they might only continue with a range that crushes you. Sometimes it is more ev to call than to raise, because it keeps the bluffs in their range. You also have to consider stacksizes and your position and how your hand plays on later streets.

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Edit: also, does this mean if action has folded to you in the SB, you should raise with any hand that has positive equity against the BB's VPIP (I've heard you should raise even with napkins blind vs. blind in limits such as mine (NL25), is this also a good habit)?
If someone folds too much in the blinds, or if he plays a very simple fit-fold strategy post-flop, then you can raise about any two. If your opponent is a huge calling-station, or if he is clever and tricky, you might want to give up some more hands preflop. Note that you're always out of position in the SB. I think raising between 25-45% in a SBvsBB battle is about optimal.
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08-16-2010 , 11:38 AM
How do I delete my 2+2 account?
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08-16-2010 , 01:33 PM
Hey
How many times can you buy the pokerstars VIP reward bonuses.I bought a few weeks ago the 25 $ VIP reward(bronzestar) and i see now that this its still available in my vip store.So i guess you can purchase as many as you want in a year.Is that true?
Thanks
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08-16-2010 , 02:14 PM
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Hey
So i guess you can purchase as many as you want in a year.Is that true?
Yes.

(However, you get a better rate of return the larger the bonus you buy so if you're planning to buy a bunch of $25 bonuses you're better off waiting and buying $50 or $300 ones [assuming you have the prerequisite VIP level]).
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08-16-2010 , 02:23 PM
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Yes.

(However, you get a better rate of return the larger the bonus you buy so if you're planning to buy a bunch of $25 bonuses you're better off waiting and buying $50 or $300 ones [assuming you have the prerequisite VIP level]).
Cool,
Thanks
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08-16-2010 , 02:57 PM
i'm searching for threads that talk about cbetting polarized(in hu cash or in 6max/9max cash) versus cbetting my entire range, what keywords should i use in the search function?
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