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07-01-2011 , 12:05 AM


this ones better. thanks fabadam.
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07-01-2011 , 03:17 AM
SoTr: This is not a very useful set of stats, and tells nothing about postflop (WTSD/W$SD is useless over such a small sample). BUt for the rest: yes, you should not be limping this much, it's terrible. Just fold because it's crap hand or raise because you think you have the best hand and make others pay to see a flop with you.
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07-01-2011 , 03:24 AM
neil02: It's just one report with a few stats so very limited what to say about it.
Also, I can't see whether it's FR or 6-max.
For FR, this seems quite loose, for 6-max it's normal TAG.
Overall AF looks too low, Agg% also looks like you're playing almost a fit-or-fold style. I am surprised you are scoring this well at PS NL50 with that style.
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07-01-2011 , 03:41 AM
Here are my stats for June. I've had coaching this month so I'm constantly was adjusting, trying out new things but I still feel it gives you guys a good idea on how I played. These are all filtered for 10NL FR (Rush & Regular games).

Currently I'm playing a bit more laggy then before. Being very aggressive from LP, but still tight from EP. There are a few things I noticed myself, such as my low T Cbet.





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07-01-2011 , 11:32 AM
sworaven:
(1) Preflop looks excellently position aware. REALLY tight in the early positions. What is your range there (looks like 22+, AK, AQs or so)?
(2) I see weirdly high Call-3bet percentages from some early positions. This is probably sample size (it's at most 30 hands or so that the percentage is based on), though I guess you can call quite a few 3bets from the blinds with your tight range.
(3) Postflop numbers look generally OK, though AF is a bit low for turn (especially) and river (somewhat). I also see you are not folding to most turn raises which seems odd (turn raise = near nuts in my experience). Once again, that's only 44 hands so could easily be a statistical anomaly -- one session against a maniac who bluff raised you a few times already distorts the numbers immensely.

(When you go into the more "advanced" stats like that, it becomes pretty clear that even 33k hands is a small sample for stats like "call 3bets from UTG" or "fold to turn raises". You have been raised on he turn about once every 750 hands ...)
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07-01-2011 , 06:10 PM
  • Yeah, I'm pretty tight in EP. Range is usually something like 77+, AQ+. Sometimes AJs or KQs, depending on the table.
  • It's true that I call a lot of 3bets from EP. I'm always assuming when a decent looking player 3bets an EP-openraise, that they won't do it lightly.
  • Just ran some filters and I'm still making profit when I'm facing a turn raise (most of it is at SD) but like you said, it's only 44 hands.

I def need to throw some stats out. Some of them aren't really reliable over a small samplesize and it just clutters up my screen.

I don't know if you remember but I used to be 14/11 or 13/10, or something like that. Now I'm a lot looser, I think this is mainly because I'm more comfortable postflop. What do you think about how my playingstyle has changed? Better or worse?
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07-02-2011 , 11:28 AM
sworaven: I don't want to go search back through old pages for earlier posts really (it's not in the previous 100 posts obv).
I don't play fullring myself, and can never bring myself to play as tight as you need to be really. The only reason I can think of for all those guys playing 13/10 there is that it's easier for mass multitabling. What do you want, add AJo to your range in a certain spot, or add another table?
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07-02-2011 , 05:01 PM
really helpful.
I got answers, thanks.
I'm new in poker and I,m interesting about Omaha poker rules can someone give me a link...
thanks....
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07-02-2011 , 05:32 PM
Not really looking to put in more volume/adding another table. I just want to improve. I don't want to be stuck at uNL forever =D.
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07-02-2011 , 05:41 PM
I don't get.................
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07-02-2011 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by vatofoto
really helpful.
I got answers, thanks.
I'm new in poker and I,m interesting about Omaha poker rules can someone give me a link...
thanks....
Hi, this is not the appropiate thread to ask such questions.(I can't even tell if u r trolling) I'm guessing u haven't tried google? In general people here r going to be reluctant to help u when it is obvious u haven't done ANY research ur self. Being lazy will get u no where in poker good luck at the tables.
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07-03-2011 , 02:48 AM
Anyone got a good HUD for HU?
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07-05-2011 , 03:01 PM
Played ~10k hands at 4NL and looking for some advice based on my stats thus far. Thanks.



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07-05-2011 , 07:39 PM
@Wardo: overall stats look like fairly decent nitty TAG FR stats. Some things stand out:
(1) Flop AF is extremely high and so is Agg%. It's hard to say whether this is good or bad, but it might be you are auto-firing too much, though your c-bet% doesnt seem way off.
(2) River AF is definitely too low. There is a lot of money to be made by learning the right spots to make river value bets. Also, you could divide your aggression for hands where you can fire only 1 or 2 bullets differently over the 3 streets.
(3) W$SD% is extremely low. This could easily be runbad over 10k hands, but is still worrying. Analyse your showdown losses to see why you are losing the showdown so often -- possibly trying to bluff calling stations too often.
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07-06-2011 , 02:59 AM
Yeah it kinda looks like runbad to me as well. Hard to tell over 10k hands though.
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07-06-2011 , 02:19 PM


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Help please. Been playing mostly 2nl 6max just moved up to 5nl. 5nl stats r more recent.
Few questions:
Ideally how much should i be c betting in 5nl?
my cbet success doesn't look too good
Ideally how much should i be 3 betting in 5nl?
What should my AF look like?

My button range sucks, i seem to be opening more in the cutoff. I feel a little uncomfortalbe opening with Kxs n Qxs should i steal with these? Any help with my button opening range would be greatly appreciated.

Last edited by RedGladiator; 07-06-2011 at 02:32 PM.
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07-06-2011 , 05:24 PM
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My button range sucks, i seem to be opening more in the cutoff. I feel a little uncomfortalbe opening with Kxs n Qxs should i steal with these? Any help with my button opening range would be greatly appreciated.
I've only recently started playing 4nl (skipped the 2nl part lol) and one thing you have to realise is that you're not always playing your cards, but the players in the blinds. If you're never raising the button when it's folded round to you then the players in the blinds are going to love it. I often throw in a raise with any two cards just to see how the blinds react. If I'm called, fine, I am in the best position on the flop and if it's checked to me I can take the free card or cbet implying my hand is strong. If I'm 3bet, fold, but as long as they aren't aggro maniacs who are going to 3bet me everytime this can still be used a few hands later. If they fold, great, but obviously if you're raising every button they'll soon cotton on. It's a question of balance I guess, I'm sure someone with more experience can go into further detail! Gl
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07-06-2011 , 07:13 PM
RedGladiator: this is the sort of problems a poker player wishes for. You're demolishing the tables right now. Stats overall look good, so you seem to be doing alright as a whole.
* C-bet%: between 60% and 80% roughly, depending on table conditions.
* Cbet success: quite low indeed. Try to classify villains into nits and calling stations. There are a lot who play fit-or-fold, and you can c-bet the hell out of them. There are also a lot who won't fold any made hand. You value bet the hell out of them. There are a fair few who are in between and are relatively well balanced. You stay out of their way and play straight up.
* Dont worry about 3bets too much. I don't know the current state of 5nl well enough but: (1) 3bet chronic blind stealers from the blinds a lot, because they fold. (2) Stick to value for the rest, since there is little point in increasing your variance.
* Postflop AF overall should be >3 over meaningful samples. Upperlimit doesn;t really exist, but if it goes above 6, you are missing some good calldowns I guess.

Button range: consider a single limper as non-existent, and iso-raise your entire opening range. You can pick up so much from the guys who will play fit-or-fold on the flop
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07-06-2011 , 07:49 PM
Thanks fabadam, all ur talk about raise/fold n rarely calling post flop hit home. Red line going up too I'm still working to put all ur great advice into action =)
What do u suggest as a good vpip on the button? 30-35 or 35-40?

First impressions of 5nl was that regs seem to 3bet more n squeese more than 2NL.
Not sure if I should be squeezing more or light squeeze bluffing, what do u suggest?what's a good %? Or is this unessary at these stakes?

I dunno what to do with my SB vpip, it's looking big but I can't resist a steal with anything remotely playable, what's a solid vpip for SB n BB?


Thanks again for taking the time to do this, i really apreciate all ur advice.
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07-06-2011 , 07:51 PM
Oh thanks Symphonious, good stuff =)
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07-07-2011 , 11:40 AM
Hi, played another 10k hands and problems continue. Playing nl10 6max now.

One thing I can't understand is why I win less money in late positions than in early.

Please feel free to comment and help.




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07-07-2011 , 12:12 PM
Ouch I see u tilted of 6 BI at 8000 hands. Work on this.
I think ur not stealing enough. Try adding ur EV to the positional stats.
Best to wait for someone else, I'm still new to all this
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07-07-2011 , 12:21 PM
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Ouch I see u tilted of 6 BI at 8000 hands. Work on this.
I think ur not stealing enough. Try adding ur EV to the positional stats.
Best to wait for someone else, I'm still new to all this
Hmm, Not a tilt I think. Ice cold deck. Few flopped set vs. set and flopped smaller straight vs. bigger straight. That -5 buy ins is not really important in my opinion. Or could it have something to do with my stats? So I get in that kind of troubles so often?
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07-07-2011 , 04:47 PM
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Thanks fabadam, all ur talk about raise/fold n rarely calling post flop hit home. Red line going up too I'm still working to put all ur great advice into action =)
What do u suggest as a good vpip on the button? 30-35 or 35-40?
It depends on your style. Basically 2 to 3 times your UTG VPIP. It can also vary wildly on table conditions if you don't play autopilot. My button VPIP/PFR at 6-max NL25/NL50 is about 35/30, and I'm sort of semi-LAG (overall 6-max stats 24/20 or so).

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First impressions of 5nl was that regs seem to 3bet more n squeese more than 2NL.
Not sure if I should be squeezing more or light squeeze bluffing, what do u suggest?what's a good %? Or is this unessary at these stakes?
The most important for me is to basically ignore that and just play tight vs 3-bets until you get a somewhat specific read. It may be that the guy has 3bet% of 12% over >200 hands, or that he's 3-bet his blind 4 times in a row. For all the other, just believe them, it saves money.

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I dunno what to do with my SB vpip, it's looking big but I can't resist a steal with anything remotely playable, what's a solid vpip for SB n BB?
Don't call anything in the SB you wouldn't raise with, be tighter actually. I fold AJo to a raise in the SB most of the time.
Limp when you get crazy odds with somewhat speculative hands (I'll complete with 85s if there are 2 limpers), still marginal though.
Stealing from SB: I probably do about 45% (Ax,Kxs, PPs, SCs, 86s+, broadways, somewhat dependent on BB stats)
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07-07-2011 , 04:56 PM
w1llie: your stats are kind of hard to understand, mostly because the graph doesn't really match the stats.
(0) The graph is that of a nit with a bad run, who doesn't do showdowns unless he's good. But see later.
(1) Preflop seems to be a bit too nitty, though not much. Especially try to steal a bit more from button and SB I would say.
(2) 3bet% is relatively high. This could be OK, but don't try to be fancy -- don't 3bet bluff unless you have specific reasons for it.
(3) Postflop stats look relatively well, except for 2 things: Won$SD% and, even worse: river call efficiency is atrocious. You are either making stupid hero calls a lot, or are having trouble laying down medium strength hands that turn bad (like AA on a Q5J3T board where villain bets big on the river or so). Could also be some runbad, really, but these numbers should cause you to analyse your showdown losses.
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