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Old 08-20-2010, 02:13 AM   #1476
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Old 08-20-2010, 02:13 AM   #1477
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Re: What can you guys tell me based on this picture?

Ur stats look decent to me. Ur steal % is about 7-12% low, steal more. U might want to open up a little more IP and get the vpip up to around 15-17. Looks like ur a little tight, and prob just running bad as 17k hands is not a whole lot. 15v/12pf- 17v/15pf might prove a little more effective. At least that's MO.
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Old 08-20-2010, 02:14 AM   #1478
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I just dont understand guys I literally just dont...







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Old 08-20-2010, 02:22 AM   #1479
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playing on a site where people can change there names frequently and notes are less effective also having no HUD is a basic strategy of raising Ax suited, all pocket pairs, suited connectors and then cbetting and check folding turn if you dont improve.
also 3betting AJ+ in position, pocket pairs in position suited connecters in position and then cbetting and check folding turn/ giving up to resistance a viable tactic? or am I just clueless?
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Old 08-20-2010, 02:22 AM   #1480
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playing on a site where people can change there names frequently and notes are less effective also having no HUD is a basic strategy of raising Ax suited, all pocket pairs, suited connectors and then cbetting and check folding turn if you dont improve.
also 3betting AJ+ in position, pocket pairs in position suited connecters in position and then cbetting and check folding turn/ giving up to resistance a viable tactic? or am I just clueless?
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Old 08-20-2010, 02:37 AM   #1481
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Hi can someone please look over my stats to see if I have any glaring leaks. From what I can see I'm pretty positionally aware but definitely need to be more aggro on turn and river. I used to have a severe case of call and reevaluate syndrome but I've pretty much stopped that now so my AF is creeping up as a result. I also really felt the need to show my all in EV because frankly my actual winrate is pretty embarrassing.

Your "amount won"'s should be the largest from the button and decrease from there. Why do you think you are in the negatives from the button and why don't your "amount won"'s follow a descending pattern?
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Old 08-20-2010, 03:25 AM   #1482
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Re: What can you guys tell me based on this picture?

1.) Increase VP$IP and PFR
2.) Increase attempt to steal
3.) Decrease fold to steal
4.) Decrease fold to 3-Bet
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Old 08-20-2010, 03:55 AM   #1483
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1.) Increase VP$IP and PFR
2.) Increase attempt to steal
3.) Decrease fold to steal
4.) Decrease fold to 3-Bet
I agree 1 (for his 50nl stats) and 2. But I see no reason for a losing player to start playing more hands OOP or in 3bet pots until he has fixed other parts of his game and is more comfortable playing post flop.

Also to OP. I hope you started at 50nl, then moved down to 20nl when you realised you were losing. If so I'd recommend you move down again while you adjust a bit, unless you have the bankroll to keep going. But if you started at 20nl then moved up to 50nl to win back your money then that was a bit silly.
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Old 08-20-2010, 04:17 AM   #1484
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I agree 1 (for his 50nl stats) and 2. But I see no reason for a losing player to start playing more hands OOP or in 3bet pots until he has fixed other parts of his game and is more comfortable playing post flop.

Also to OP. I hope you started at 50nl, then moved down to 20nl when you realised you were losing. If so I'd recommend you move down again while you adjust a bit, unless you have the bankroll to keep going. But if you started at 20nl then moved up to 50nl to win back your money then that was a bit silly.
attempt to steal means raise when I'm in SB more right?
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Old 08-20-2010, 04:20 AM   #1485
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I think HEM defines attempt to steal as a raise into an unopenned pot from the CO/BTN/SB. So while you will do it with some hands in the SB when it's folded to you. You want to widen the hands you are raising with when its folded to you in the CO/BTN.
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Old 08-20-2010, 04:26 AM   #1486
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Re: What can you guys tell me based on this picture?

do you have rakeback?

i would agree tho that 6max requires a broader range, including steal/re-steal. this being said tho, more decisions and solid postflop play will be required.
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Old 08-21-2010, 11:40 AM   #1487
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Please help, I'm clueless at what to do

I'm playing 5nl FR
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Old 08-21-2010, 12:32 PM   #1488
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ocnap: That looks pretty bad.
You are very tight preflop, especially in late position. Play a bit wider there.
Also postflop you seem quite robotic: very low aggression yet reasonably high c-bet percentages, probably too high for turn.
Yet your AF is VERY low.
This is a bit of a guess, but it looks like you are calling way too many bets and raises postflop. Maybe just try to stop calling altogether: usually at 5NL people who raise have a very strong hand. So just fold or raise from now on.

However, it looks like overall you just need to learn to play poker, develop reads etc. These stats you look like a super-ABC TAG fish.
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Old 08-22-2010, 11:39 PM   #1489
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bump?
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:42 AM   #1490
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Have a look yourself: create a filter that has you limping in the BB with one limper. See the results. I definitely think you should spare yourself the half big blind you are donating there with most hands. The SB is the worst position at the table, so you don't want to play it voluntarily too often. I play a lot of hands if there are 2+ limpers, because you are then getting 7 to 1 direct odds which makes a lot of hands playable, but still.

As for stealing SB vs BB: a lot depends on who BB is. You certainly shouldn't steal any 2, but you can often raise 50% of hands or so.
Thanks for your help fabadam. I don't know how to do a custom filter for just completing the SB but I'm sure you're right about it anyway.
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Old 08-23-2010, 03:27 PM   #1491
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Thanks for your help fabadam. I don't know how to do a custom filter for just completing the SB but I'm sure you're right about it anyway.
This is something I see quite a lot among beginners. I just don't get it. If you don't know how to make a custom filter, sit down with the tool (HEM or PT3) and learn yourself about it. It's not rocket science; anyone with half a brain can find out by themselves in less than 15 minutes. I see you have HEM. It's literally less than 20 mouse clicks in HEM.
Learning poker is quite tough, taking effort to concentrate on small things, since edges come from small things. If you can't bring yourself to concentrate for 15 minutes to find out how a poker stats program works, and to learn for yourself about your play, how do you expect to beat other people?
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Old 08-26-2010, 04:23 PM   #1492
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

Hello,

I'm just new starting microlimit NL 6max, I'm using a hud for the 1st time, and I'd like to know if someone can help me, or give me a link, to the ranges of stats, in order to adjust my play.

In fact, I'd first like that you confirm me that all these stats are useful, maybe I can remove a couple, and replace them by some that could be missing in my choice.

And also, I'd like if possible to set colors and ranges for these stats, in order to adjust my play regarding to the actions of my opponents.



Right now, the stats I use are:

VP$IP
PFR
Att to steal
Fold BB to steal
3bet total
Fold to 3bet
Total AF
Preflop AF, Flop AF, Turn AF
Cbet flop
Cbet turn
Fold to flop Cbet
Fold to turn Cbet
Won money when saw flop
Went to SD %
Won money at SD %

Maybe there's already a topic or a page explaining that here, but there are a lot of pages to read in the stats topics

Thanks if you can help !
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Old 08-26-2010, 06:36 PM   #1493
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Preface: The pokertracker stats I plan to post below are from tournaments only just want to state that up front I figure there must be some unique advice for tournament players right? If you're a tl;dr type, I guess you can just skip all the way down to the pokertracker stats.

Hi folks. I don't know why I've never done this before... I guess because I've been pretty successful and didn't feel I needed it (also because tracking sites for Macs were non-existent/terrible for a long time...) But now I'm looking to plug some leaks and take my game up a notch.


Some things about me if you care: I started playing poker in 2004... Moneymaker effect... and have played on and off since then. I started on Pacific Poker way back in the day. I then switched to Pokerroom.com and played there for a long time. I became a student of poker read a lot of books, played a lot of poker, and did quite well. I played almost exclusively cash games back then. Brag: years ago I started with $200 at a 1-2 table on pokerroom and turned that into $4,200 in 3 hours. Ahhh, those were the days, and that was the best one. Wish I had stats/results from back then...

In 2006 I started to play a bit on Full Tilt, but really, most of these stats are coming from late 2007 thru all of 2008 (I played full time back then). I only played a tiny bit in 2009 and I just recently started playing full time again this month (Aug. 2010).

Before I post my pokertracker stats I'm gonna post my Sharkscope/OPR stats. Want y'all to know that whatever I'm doing IS working. BUT, I know I have a lot of room to improve and that's why I'm posting here. I would like to become a student of the game again.

OPR covers tournaments with entrants from 11-any
and
in Sharkscope I've filtered for Heads Up (including 4 player shootouts) and also SNGs with from 5-9 entrants.

So basically, it's all my Full Tilt stats.





Now here are the pokertracker stats. Remember, from tournaments only. I have filtered it for "from 7-10 players". Maybe I should have done 8-10? But 7-10 gave me about 9,000 more hands.

The first two stats got cut off. They are:

Vol. Put $ in Pot: 19.01 (14,412 out of 75,815) Folded to Flop Bet: 70.58 (3,093 out of 4,382).

Note: with 8-10 players my vpip is 18.64 as opposed to 19.01 and my pfr% is
10.3% as opposed to 10.89% with 7-10 players (as you'll see below).



So... anything glaring? Really, any thoughts you have (good or bad). Thanks a lot guys/gals.
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:34 AM   #1494
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loustic: the last 3 on your list converge only very slowly, so will be meaningless unless you have thousands of hands on an opponent.
What I like to have in there is "number of Hands", so that you know how useful the stats are: they are not very meaningful under 50 hands or so, and even then can be off.
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:44 AM   #1495
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TheGenius: Nice results, you seem to have tournaments down very well.
STats for tournaments aren't very useful, even if filtered like you did: your stategy varies wildly (or at least, it should) as the stacks shrink, and all that is in there.
The only thing that seems bad to me is that you limp preflop (or coldcall) too much. Generally I think a fold/raise strategy works better in tournaments too. But it's possible that a smallball approach with some limping works for you.
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Old 08-27-2010, 02:56 AM   #1496
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TheGenius: Nice results, you seem to have tournaments down very well.
STats for tournaments aren't very useful, even if filtered like you did: your stategy varies wildly (or at least, it should) as the stacks shrink, and all that is in there.
The only thing that seems bad to me is that you limp preflop (or coldcall) too much. Generally I think a fold/raise strategy works better in tournaments too. But it's possible that a smallball approach with some limping works for you.
I thought the coldcalling might be a problem. And actually, recently I have been reraising a lot more preflop. I think I sensed that this was one of my weaknesses. Glad to get confirmation. Just pisses me off so much when I reraise and show strength and then initial raiser plays back at me on the flop. It just seems like every time it is the case. So I got hesitant, hence the too much cold-calling. I will be better in the future.

I'm worried about my play from the blinds. Am I defending enough? I feel like maybe I should be defending more when the blinds are high, with antes and everything. But I just hate getting myself into trouble with a weak holding *when I've got K8 or something, K flops and then I call down when the other guy has KQ. So I fold a lot, just trying to stay out of trouble. But maybe the stats are OK for blind defense *idk, what do you think?

Any other thoughts? Pretty solid but for the cold-calling? How about my AF overall, and my AF on each street? I never know if I'm about where I should be with that.

And 54.92% W$ at showdown pretty good?

And if you had to tag me as something, what would it be? Am I just a boring rock/nit, or do I have more going for me than that?

Thanks folks.
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Old 08-27-2010, 04:23 AM   #1497
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TheGenius:
That's the problem with tournement stats: yes, you should defend more (against the right people ...) when blinds are high. But these stats are a mixture of low and high blind play, so they become meaningless for this specific purpose.

W$SD% seems OK, maybe a bit on the high side but that's probably good in tournaments. It's also a stat that has relatively little meaning since it builds up so slowly (you don't get to showdown a lot, really, in NL).

Based on these stats I would say you are a TAG, your postflop aggression figures look strong. Perhaps slightly nitty preflop.
But tournaments are so much about how you play with high blinds, and you can't see that here.
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Old 08-27-2010, 05:10 AM   #1498
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That's the problem with tournement stats: yes, you should defend more (against the right people ...) when blinds are high. But these stats are a mixture of low and high blind play, so they become meaningless for this specific purpose.

W$SD% seems OK, maybe a bit on the high side but that's probably good in tournaments. It's also a stat that has relatively little meaning since it builds up so slowly (you don't get to showdown a lot, really, in NL).

Based on these stats I would say you are a TAG, your postflop aggression figures look strong. Perhaps slightly nitty preflop.
But tournaments are so much about how you play with high blinds, and you can't see that here.
Thanks. Good stuff. Very informative. If I get the inspiration maybe I'll filter for just mid/late stages of tourneys to see if those stats are appropriate. But then you really are getting into smaller and smaller sample size. But, could still be valuable I think... thanks for the help.
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Old 08-27-2010, 05:24 AM   #1499
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alright, I was inspired. It's a lot to look at. But maybe take a look at some of the blinds that have the larger sample size of hands? I don't know. These are the most important stages of the tourney so... critical I don't have any major leaks visible in these numbers.



Find anything interesting?
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Old 08-27-2010, 07:26 AM   #1500
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Those stats seem very tight for such high blinds, but I think this is an area where pure stats analysis is not very useful because the information you get out of it is too superficial.
You should proably have a look at ICM (Independent Chip Modelling) and look at the MTT section here to get some more theoretical level understanding of late tournament play.
The second part of Harrington on Holdem is very good on this, but there are many more places where this is explained.
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