Hi guys,

I'm feeling fairly depressed as to the up and down nature of me playing NL25. I play two tables at a time (with HEM), and often I just feel like I'm treading water for hours, not really gaining, not really losing. Throw in a couple of lost pots and I've ended a long session down for another day. I'm sorry that I don't have 10k hands in NL25 to show; I was going to put my other hands in from the lower stakes but my style of play has become better (I think) and a lot of those stats may not accurately reflect how I play now. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I can post any other images of other stats if required:


(The vertical orange-ish bar indicates when I started playing NL25)





Thanks again

Thanks, i guess thats what you get for playing DoN's. Droped off a fil buying at 5nl last night cause of bad play + tilt. Gonna give it a shot again, and if i keep droppping ill go back to 2nl and work my way up...

I guess im playing too much fit or fold...

Kallak: Not a lot wrong with those stats. You are definitely limping too much, especially from the SB, where you should just fold most hands. For the rest there is little wrong with your stats (though probably there are mistakes in your play that don't show in stats ...).
Also I'd say you are not quite enough position-conscious for full-ring. You are relatively loose in early position, or relatively tight in late position. I'd say tighten up a bit in early, and start stealing a bit more in CO and OTB, especially if you have nitty players in the blinds, who'll fold nearly everything.

Thanks for your advice fabadam. In regards to playing from the SB, I would normally make the call if there is 1+ limper prior to the blinds; is this -ev in the long run? Also, if action folds to me in the small blind, should I be raising with anything to steal the BB?

Kallak:
Have a look yourself: create a filter that has you limping in the BB with one limper. See the results. I definitely think you should spare yourself the half big blind you are donating there with most hands. The SB is the worst position at the table, so you don't want to play it voluntarily too often. I play a lot of hands if there are 2+ limpers, because you are then getting 7 to 1 direct odds which makes a lot of hands playable, but still.

As for stealing SB vs BB: a lot depends on who BB is. You certainly shouldn't steal any 2, but you can often raise 50% of hands or so.

Hello 2+2,

I have some questions. I have played around 11k hands now and i run ptBB 2.91. My question is that I can't solve my own leaks. I've heard that there is an analyse sub-forum, but since i am new to the forums and i could'nt find it, I post it in the beginners forum.

Well, here are my stats:




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I have tryed 24 tabling, 9 tabling, 2nl 5nl, playing a little more nitty, a little more loose.

As you can see, I am winning atm. But i am not result-orientated. I want to improve my game, I want to be a wanning solid reg. I want to help other people when i am getting better, It's not that i want to earn that 100$ grinding the microstakes, i have some kind of dream of becomming a solid regular playing at 200nl, and i hope you can help me realise it!

thanks in advance, and if i made any mistakes due to posting this is the wrong section, please it is not my intention. If anyone want to have a sweat session with me, or talk on msn or something, pm me your email or some other information so we can talk , i'm dutch btw.

anyone?

I don't see anything too crazy, looks pretty normal for 5nl. If you're winning then keep on keepin' on.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...thread-361070/

Thanks, my dream is to play 100nl 24 tabling and making around 1k a month as a side job. i have a friend that's supernova playing 100nl and i learned alot from him.

we have 1 main leak in our game, and that causes a main downswing to many regulars.

overpair vs sets.
sets vs better sets

for the rest i think i handle 5nl.

double post soz

Not much to say about your stats except that you play very nitty (is this FR by the way, or 6max?). Nitty is fine, but don't expect a huge winrate. When moving up you will certainly have to loosen up your play style as well, otherwise you become too predictable. I can't see how much you loosen up when in position right now, that would be interesting to know. And yes, getting coolered with overpairs vs sets is pretty standard when you play a nitty style.

Yes a big leak is LP hand range, i'm willing to improve but it is quite hard when playing 24 tabling. What hand range should i do?

"HERE is Edward Bear, coming downstairs now, bump, bump,
bump, on the back of his head, behind Christopher Robin. It is,
as far as he knows, the only way of coming downstairs, but
sometimes he feels that there really is another way, if only he
could stop bumping for a moment and think of it."

You have to decide what you want to do here. Do you want to improve your poker skills and play, or do you want to play 24 tables at once. You can do one or the other, but not both at the same time.

improve! ofcourse, only when i read stuff i try to implent them in my system, and it takes a while to see results ( a sample size ). So i try to implent them playing as much tables as possible.

THAT IS WRONG! i know, but how can i check if i do it correct? so, what hand range should i take in LP?

btw i'm dutch. maby we can discuss some hands orso?

My updated stats. I think they are looking a little better... I think I improved the leak I had from my blinds I'm 3b more from blinds to high % attempt to steal, raising ATC when sb limps to me, folding way more sb's.

This is at 10nl FR, seems like I'm playing LAG?

To EduardSB:
I'm old, so I cannot even think of playing that much. I tried 20 tabling $1 DONs for the heck of it for a while, and even there I was timing out. About 6 tables is the max for me. But poker is mainly a hobby for me, and 6-tabling almost starts to feel like work, so I try to stick to 4 maximum. Then I can take the situation into consideration.

If you play that many tables, you basically have to play like a robot.

What range do you open in late position? Well, if I am on the button, I will raise any 2 cards against some blinds, and about 40% against others. There are many factors playing:
(1) The blinds are both multi-tabling total nits (my favourite situation, I try to have nitty players to my left): Raise any 2 until they start playing back.
(2) There is a tightish shortstack in the blinds: only raise broadway cards and pocket pairs
(3) One of the blinds 3-bets a lot: tighten up to below 30% or so.
(4) Fit-or-fold loose-passive in the blinds: raise 60% or so and c-bet 100%.

These aren't fixed rules: I just sit there, look at T8s and decide what to do based on my reads. Sometimes I'll fold because I have 2 other hands active already, even when I would open if I had no action on any table.

To me, this is how you learn. I don't see the point of robotically applying some fixed rule for 20k hands and see if it works.
Of course, this means I will sometimes have to draw my conclusions without having a good sample size. That's fine with me, I will trust the intuition I develop by watching what happens. I also sometimes check a bunch of filters in HEM to see if I am not getting out of line.

For hands: it's better to post these hands in the micro-stakes NL forum. That way you get discussion with multiple viewpoints. You learn from that too.

LolPony:
Next time, sort the positions table by position, this is rather confusing.
Some remarks:
(1) You seem to be open-limping quite a lot. Just don't do that. I know that Harrington says to do it a bit, but it just doesn't work in online poker. You limp UTG with AQo or 66 or so, someone iso-raises and you want to call, but you will be OOP for the rest of the hand, much more often than when you open-raise (or fold).
(2) Your aggression postflop is OK, but your AF is still relatively low. That means you are probably calling too often, instead of raising/folding. Also, you are still betting less than 30% of flops, which means you are not only not bluffing, you are also not betting all your made hands.
It's a delicate balance, but I have never seen a good aggressive player with a flop AF below 3.
(3) You are insufficiently position aware. You are too loose in early position and too tight in late position. Your UTG VPIP should be much less than hlaf of your button VPIP as a general rule, and probably more like 1/3 of it.

Not that it matters much, but I'd still classify you more as a tight-passive player based on these stats. I'd put you in the category of people I like to have to my left, and I don't like loose-aggressive guys to my left.

fabadam, thanks for your advice, i seem to be winning atm, and i don't want to play like a robot. it just seems that when i have a bankroll of 100, i get it to 132, then it gets to 115, and to 137, then i drop down to 120$, its just so swingy, howmany hands should it take for me to get to 10nl.

should i take 100k hands or something? doubling your bankroll from 100 to 200 playing 5nl, howlong should it take? on average then.

and, your from the netherlands ! i'm to, mind having some sweat sessions?

Sorry about the position graph.
The last time I opened limped was about my 5k hand, when I was losing money. Haven't done it since.
Hmm not sure what to make of the not betting the flop enough. I c-bet about 75%-80% of the time.
Just checked my UTG hands and and they are all PP's I've raised with, along with the occasional AJ-AK.

Hi can someone please look over my stats to see if I have any glaring leaks. From what I can see I'm pretty positionally aware but definitely need to be more aggro on turn and river. I used to have a severe case of call and reevaluate syndrome but I've pretty much stopped that now so my AF is creeping up as a result. I also really felt the need to show my all in EV because frankly my actual winrate is pretty embarrassing.

besides I suck, I run above EV
How can I improve?

You're way too nitty for 6max.
Even though you're only opening 10% of hands, you are 3betting 8%, which is pretty high in comparison (imo).

Anyway you'd be better off posting this here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...thread-361070/

I'm not too good at analyzing stats.

Did you change anything round 9k?