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08-06-2010 , 12:17 PM
I agree with fabadam. Open less hands in early position, more in late position. That's about it. Just give 5NL a whirl.
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08-08-2010 , 01:18 AM
Full Tilt - Full Ring 25NL Stats/Graph

I obviously have some pretty serious leaks, what are they and how do I address them?





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08-08-2010 , 01:35 AM
Playing way too many hands in SB sticks out right away.
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08-08-2010 , 02:05 AM
I play my sb like this: if its folded to me, I raise 3xbb with top 20% hands

if its limped by an earlier player, I complete with most playable hands (30%?) and raise my top 9-10%

not sure if this is more or less correct but it works for me in live games

Ive been trying to 3bet more out of the blinds with KQ/AJ/77 hands

but I havent integrated this in a consistent way, its just random for now

Last edited by EpicPokerFail; 08-08-2010 at 02:11 AM.
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08-08-2010 , 02:28 AM
My 25NL FR Stars Fail



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08-08-2010 , 02:57 AM
you are limping hands utg and utg+1/2 don't

in early position prf should=vpip, first in any position tell yourself if I'm not raising Im folding.

Same goes for sb, (obviously changes if there are 2+ limpers ahead).

Your positional stats are really bad vpip 11% utg is way too loose, why btn vpip of 17% is way too tight. "I would rather play 65o on the button than kjs utg" is a pretty good thing to remember
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08-08-2010 , 07:42 AM
play fewer hands in EP

7% utg is good

Last edited by cdog; 08-08-2010 at 07:50 AM.
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08-08-2010 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by EpicPokerFail
I play my sb like this: if its folded to me, I raise 3xbb with top 20% hands

if its limped by an earlier player, I complete with most playable hands (30%?) and raise my top 9-10%

not sure if this is more or less correct but it works for me in live games

Ive been trying to 3bet more out of the blinds with KQ/AJ/77 hands

but I havent integrated this in a consistent way, its just random for now
Pretty huge difference between live and online. Get a coach, if you want to actually get better or watch vids or review ur sessions more.
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08-11-2010 , 06:28 AM
Hi,

I switched from to 6max after having played more than 300k hands of fullring.

I always had a negative red line but since I play 6max, it just got a lot worse.

You can notice that my CB% is pretty law but also that my succes% is low too. Do people float more often in 6max ?





(I play NL50-NL200)

Thanks in advance for your help
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08-11-2010 , 07:48 AM
lull: Odd numbers indeed. For 6max you are playing extraordinarily tight. Even on the button you only have 23/20 stats, despite stealing a reasonable amount.
It looks a lot like people may be floating you more, possibly because to an attentive opponent, it is possible to put you on a relatively narrow range, so any flop with lowish cards in highly unlikely to have hit you.
Your cbet% is in the low 50s which is low but not extremely low.

Also, your W$SD is extremely high, which makes it look like you are letting yourself get pushed off the best hand a lot.


As an aside, it looks like you are playing way too loose in the SB.
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08-11-2010 , 08:08 AM
Thanks a lot for your help !

I play on a French room where nearly every one is a huge fish. Furthermore HUD aren't supported, so regulars may not float me that often since they certainly don't know that I'm that tight.

The softest of the game (lots of fishes) is certainly one reason that my CB succes is low.

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Originally Posted by fabadam
lull: Odd numbers indeed. For 6max you are playing extraordinarily tight. Even on the button you only have 23/20 stats, despite stealing a reasonable amount.
Should I cold call more often at the btn ?

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Originally Posted by fabadam
As an aside, it looks like you are playing way too loose in the SB.
I nearly never complete in the SB unless it's a huge multiway and I have a PP or Axs.

Nevertheless I do call btn steal with KQs,ATs, AJ, AQ. (I use to 3bet KQs and AQ and fold AT, AJ at fullring. I'm not 3betting oop anymore since villains nearly always call and I hate playing 3bet pot oop)
Is this a mistake please ?


Is my SB steal% too high ?
Since my steal succes in the SB is 50%, isn't it profitable ? ( if my maths are good, I should win something like 70% of the time preflop to make a steal profitable but since I can still win postflop, it might be good.
(I hope this make sens)



I pay 8bb/100 of rake. I would thus have a good winrate on a .com room.
I'm not sure if playing is profitable anymore..

Last edited by lull; 08-11-2010 at 08:37 AM.
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08-11-2010 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by lull
I pay 12bb/100 of rake.
fmp.
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08-11-2010 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by lull
Should I cold call more often at the btn ?
I suggest 3-betting more. If they are such fish, they'll call with worse a lot giving you the best hand and position. Still your positional sense is OK, it's just that you are extremely tight in all positions. Your UTG range is 7%, what's that, 22-AA and AK?

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I nearly never complete in the SB unless it's a huge multiway and I have a PP or Axs.

Nevertheless I do call btn steal with KQs,ATs, AJ, AQ. (I use to 3bet KQs and AQ and fold AT, AJ at fullring. I'm not 3betting oop anymore since villains nearly always call and I hate playing 3bet pot oop)
Is this a mistake please ?
It's more that your results in SB are atrocious. Could be variance, but it looks like your steals may not be working well. You might check this yourself with some filters.

However, I dislike calling steals with hands as given, I'd rather 3-bet. I always get a ton of folds. I'd probably rather fold than call.

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Is my SB steal% too high ?
Since my steal succes in the SB is 50%, isn't it profitable ? ( if my maths are good, I should win something like 70% of the time preflop to make a steal profitable but since I can still win postflop, it might be good.
(I hope this make sens)
I think 50% steal success from the SB is too low -- you are goign to be OOP the rest of the hand, so that's not gonna help your results. Probably limit your steals against calling stations.

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I pay 12bb/100 of rake. I would thus have a good winrate on a .com room.
I'm not sure if playing is profitable anymore..
That's a huge rake indeed, not easy to beat IMO, or at least for a reasonable rate.
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08-11-2010 , 11:22 AM
Thanks a million for your help.


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Originally Posted by fabadam
Your UTG range is 7%, what's that, 22-AA and AK?
KQ, AJ+, 77+

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However, I dislike calling steals with hands as given, I'd rather 3-bet. I always get a ton of folds. I'd probably rather fold than call.
I'm going to do it again. I wasn't confortable calling those hands oop anyway.
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08-11-2010 , 05:04 PM
Hi all,

I've only been playing 5NL. I'm looking for some advice on my stats.
I want to know what my biggest leaks are and how I can work on them.

I think I'll be playing at 5NL for at least another 40k hands, just to be
sure I'm not just running good but that I'm actually capable of beating these
limits. Any thoughts on this?

Thanks

PS: English is not my motherlanguage, so if something isn't clear, let me know .







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08-11-2010 , 06:26 PM
sworaven: your graph looks really impressive, it's just about perfect.
Your play is very tight, but probably close to optimal for full-ring. You might be able to play a bit looser on the button and cutoff, but not all that much maybe.
Also, the SB seems the only place where you are leaking money by playing too loose. I'd recommend treating the SB just the same as if it were UTG. So don't call anything unless you're getting crazy odds for 0.5 BB.
Postflop seems very good, judging by your stats you strike a good balance between aggression and tightness. There may be leaks in there (there probably are unless you're Tom Dwan in disguise), but they are not obvious from your stats.

I'd actually recommend you to move up as soon as you're properly rolled (like when you have $250 in your bankroll), since I don't think your winrate will change much at NL10.
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08-12-2010 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
sworaven: your graph looks really impressive, it's just about perfect.
Your play is very tight, but probably close to optimal for full-ring. You might be able to play a bit looser on the button and cutoff, but not all that much maybe.
Also, the SB seems the only place where you are leaking money by playing too loose. I'd recommend treating the SB just the same as if it were UTG. So don't call anything unless you're getting crazy odds for 0.5 BB.
I've actually been working on playing from the blinds and stealing blinds for the past few sessions after reading some articles here on 2+2. I usually only try to steal when the blinds have TAG-ish stats because the loose players will probably just call me.

I've also been trying out 3betting from LP, so far this has been working good.

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Originally Posted by fabadam
Postflop seems very good, judging by your stats you strike a good balance between aggression and tightness. There may be leaks in there (there probably are unless you're Tom Dwan in disguise), but they are not obvious from your stats.
Sometimes I still get the feeling I've put myself in a -EV situation by calling reraises preflop OOP, I think this is something I still have to work on.

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Originally Posted by fabadam
I'd actually recommend you to move up as soon as you're properly rolled (like when you have $250 in your bankroll), since I don't think your winrate will change much at NL10.
Okay, I switch to 10NL when I have around $300, because I usually play 6-9 tables. Anyway, thanks for you kind words and your advice !
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08-13-2010 , 01:45 PM
Hello, attached is my stats, 10nl 6max loser, have been on stars but no winning there as well. I suspect one of my leak is c/folding drawing flops too often as pfr, but i cant confirm. Been staying at breakeven thanks to the ftp bonus...





*yikes, is the image too small?

Last edited by nyrvana; 08-13-2010 at 01:55 PM. Reason: image sizes
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08-13-2010 , 02:27 PM
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I suspect one of my leak is c/folding drawing flops too often as pfr, but i cant confirm.
Stats look a lot like that to me. Your aggression factor is good but the percentages are low on each street, which suggests too much c/f in general. Also, your turn cbet > flop cbet, which supports the theory about giving up on flops you don't like. Your cbets are fairly successful, so do them more, yeah?

One thing that stands out to me is some unevenness in your positional stats. Your PFR is quite positionally aware, but it seems like you play MP almost exactly like UTG, and SB almost exactly like BTN, with huge gaps on either side of CO. Maybe you should even that out?

If you're "c/folding drawing flops too often as pfr", maybe the problem is that you have too many drawing flops as pfr? If you've been playing speculative hands, try getting rid of those and emphasizing Broadways and pockets - reshape your ranges.

Finally, your 4bet range seems low, but it could be that I'm not quite understanding how that stat works. You're at least getting AA and KK in pre whenever you're given the opportunity, yes?

imgur ftw btw
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08-13-2010 , 03:30 PM
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Stats look a lot like that to me. Your aggression factor is good but the percentages are low on each street, which suggests too much c/f in general. Also, your turn cbet > flop cbet, which supports the theory about giving up on flops you don't like. Your cbets are fairly successful, so do them more, yeah?

One issue regarding this, is that i seldom bet 2nd pair on drawy or dry flop, e.g. KQx or A9x. And i kinda just c/f 2nd pair...weird i know lol, definitely a leak.

One thing that stands out to me is some unevenness in your positional stats. Your PFR is quite positionally aware, but it seems like you play MP almost exactly like UTG, and SB almost exactly like BTN, with huge gaps on either side of CO. Maybe you should even that out?

I raise 22+/AJo+ from utg, KJo+ from mp, it gets more liberal towards button. SB im raising alot of junk to steal, but recently i have removed junk like K2/K5 from sb & btn stealing range, focusing on 86/97 connected stuff instead. But i still do raise K8/Q9 in sb.

If you're "c/folding drawing flops too often as pfr", maybe the problem is that you have too many drawing flops as pfr? If you've been playing speculative hands, try getting rid of those and emphasizing Broadways and pockets - reshape your ranges.

Oh sorry, typo mistake in my post, i meant drawy flops like 568s. Say i open AK utg, btn calls. Flop comes 568o or J75o, i would mostly c/f. Speaking of speculative hands, i tend to open 86o/97o from later position but i think that my cbets and barrels dont really work. But i cant be sure about that, might be selective memory lol.

Finally, your 4bet range seems low, but it could be that I'm not quite understanding how that stat works. You're at least getting AA and KK in pre whenever you're given the opportunity, yes?

ah yes yes

imgur ftw btw
im not sure what is the best way to describe my style but i will try my best, hopefully it gives a better perspective to my leaks

Last edited by nyrvana; 08-13-2010 at 03:36 PM.
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08-13-2010 , 07:21 PM
nyrvana: the one thing that stands out the most, is a VERY LOW W$WSF coupled with an EXTREMELY HIGH W%SD.
This means you are winning very few pots that see a flop, but win a ridiculous amount of the showdown hands.
This indicates you are playing very weak tight: you must be folding the best hand a metric ****load of the time.
I don't really care where you are doing this, but you are folding too much somewhere.
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08-13-2010 , 07:23 PM
Now I realize I'm not good, and the last couple times I've posted on here I got flamed, so gonna try again since this thread seems pretty friendly. Not sure what I'm doing badly mainly because I'm a noob. Now that I look over my stats it looks like I'm being way too passive. Although I think my game has improved from hand 1 to 10,000. (Although again probably wrong cause I'm noob.) Am I just way too passive in early positions and not defending my BB enough while playing too many SBs?




Edit: This is a mix of .2/.5 and .5/.10 Full ring and SH

Last edited by LolPony; 08-13-2010 at 07:29 PM.
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08-13-2010 , 08:03 PM
LolPony: first of all, just stop open-limping. It's not a good idea, certainly not with all the hands you;re doing it with. If you are first in, either raise or fold. If you're not happy raising with a hand in that position, fold it.
In general, you want to either raise or fold whenever it's your turn preflop. The only exceptions are small pocket pairs and lowish suited connectors. All the rest: raise/3-bet or fold.
As for postflop, you look weak-tight. This might be caused by your loose=passive preflop style.

Basic strategy: come in with the best hand preflop. Then, pn the flop you often will still have th best hand. Bet it. For value. That's about it.
The hard part is in discovering which situations this strategy works, and which it doesn't.
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08-14-2010 , 05:55 PM
Can someone give me some insight about my stats? These are the stats for this month at 6max 5nl, PS. Any help is really appreciated. I recently moved up to cash.

This is around 4.6k hands of SH.

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08-15-2010 , 04:28 AM
andrestc:
Your stats are those of a typical tight-passive player. You are EXTREMELY tight preflop, one of the toghtes 6-max players I have even seen, yet postflop, you are still passive.
YOur AFis way too low, it should be closer to 5 than to 2 for such a tight player. You are betting the flop only 15% of the time? How is that possible?
With your tightness, you are going to have the best hand on the flop more than 50% of the time, so why not bet?
So the first thing to learn is aggression: bet/raise when you have the best hand. Get the money in.
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