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07-18-2010 , 05:30 PM
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Your button VPIP should be at least twice the UTG VPIP, and probably more
And thats what I did..........
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07-18-2010 , 05:48 PM
I would love some help with this. I mean, my normal game is just to sit back and wait for hands to value bet but with the blinds and rake wont let me do that and show a profit.

So I changed my game to more LAG on the BTN/CO but with little to no success. I found myself changing tables often since either there were calling stations to my left or they would play back at me which then forced me to play back to my normal tight-fit or fold game.
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07-18-2010 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ThinValueFold
And thats what I did..........
On the sample you posted, you won a ****load in late position, but were bleeding money in the early position.
I can't see from one table what's wrong, but I see a whole lot of betting, and still a plunging red line. That's just weird. When I play with a whole lot of betting, it's my blue line that takes a dive, because people start calling me down.
So I'm guessing you're betting a lot OOP, and then giving up when called, but it's a guess.

At this pijt, I'd say you should just stop looking at your stats. They look slightly over aggressive (80% cbet is LOL), but should be winning.
So you are making some read/general errors in postflop play. I don't know what they are, and they aren't visible from your stats.
Look at hands you lost, either at showdown or before. Post some here or at microstakes NL. Look at other posts in microstakes NL and start commenting.
You need to improve your postflop evaluation, because there's something wrong, but I dont't know what.
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07-18-2010 , 07:22 PM
fabadam,

I will post some hands and I know what they will all look like,

It will be when I am on the BTN or CO and I have raised a limper or try to steal the blinds and they call. So I have position and I make a Cbet when I miss and then give up on the turn when their stats say they will most likely call agian. Or sometimes I make the turn Cbet with air and they call.
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07-18-2010 , 07:32 PM
Full Tilt Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BB): $10.00
UTG: $11.94
MP: $10.62
CO: $10.00
BTN: $12.36
SB: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 8 T
2 folds, CO raises to $0.35, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.10, CO calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.25) 9 7 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.56, CO calls $1.56

Turn: ($5.37) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.12, CO raises to $7.34, Hero calls $3.22

River: ($20.05) Q (2 players)

Final Pot: $20.05
Hero shows 8 T
CO shows T 9
CO wins $18.72
(Rake: $1.33)

25/20/2 over 100 hands and his stats was higher from CO and BTN seats so I knew he was stealling so I wanted to defend my blinds. He called so I thought he would be able o fold any underpair or his KJ hands that missed the flop. Well he called the flop so that didnt go to plan but I knew he was weak and I wanted to rep TT+ here when also bet as a semi bluff on the turn..........oh well.
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07-18-2010 , 07:38 PM
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Hero (CO): $24.29
BTN: $9.55
SB: $10.91
BB: $15.97
UTG: $7.15
MP: $10.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 7 9
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.45, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.05) T 2 3 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.60, UTG calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.25) A (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.90, UTG calls $1.90

River: ($6.05) 3 (2 players)
UTG bets $4.20, Hero folds

Final Pot: $6.05
UTG wins $5.65
(Rake: $0.40)
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07-18-2010 , 07:40 PM
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BTN: $13.36
SB: $4.04
BB: $12.11
UTG: $10.00
Hero (CO): $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with A 7
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.35, 2 folds, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.75) 7 3 2 (2 players)
BB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.60, BB raises to $11.76, Hero folds

Final Pot: $3.95
BB wins $3.69
(Rake: $0.26)
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07-18-2010 , 07:42 PM
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UTG: $13.17
Hero (CO): $16.06
BTN: $10.34
SB: $24.87
BB: $15.71

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 8 A
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.35, 2 folds, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.75) K 8 K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.75) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($1.75) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $1.00, Hero calls $1

Final Pot: $3.75
Hero mucks 8 A
BB shows 3 3
BB wins $3.50
(Rake: $0.25)
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07-18-2010 , 07:43 PM
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BB: $10.15
UTG: $10.00
Hero (CO): $13.71
BTN: $20.37
SB: $9.02

Pre Flop: ($0.10) Hero is CO with J A
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, SB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) Q 6 J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.46, SB calls $0.46

Turn: ($1.52) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.00, SB calls $1

River: ($3.52) T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: $3.52
Hero shows J A
SB shows K Q
SB wins $3.29
(Rake: $0.23)
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07-18-2010 , 07:55 PM
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BB: $10.79
UTG: $6.03
CO: $6.01
Hero (BTN): $10.21
SB: $3.90

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 9 7
1 fold, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.45, 2 folds, CO calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.05) 3 T 8 (2 players)
CO bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, CO calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.65) Q (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.65) Q (2 players)
CO bets $1.20, Hero folds

Final Pot: $2.65
CO wins $2.48
(Rake: $0.17)
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07-18-2010 , 08:08 PM
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BTN: $15.50
SB: $10.09
BB: $17.49
UTG: $7.96
MP: $3.75
Hero (CO): $16.56

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with T A
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, SB calls $0.30, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.80) 9 5 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.65, SB raises to $2, Hero folds

TONS OF HANDS WERE I B/F THE FLOP LIKE THIS
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07-19-2010 , 03:31 AM
Better make separate threads for posting hands.

Tc8c: Fold preflop, defending with a 3-bet is not bad but probably overdone at NL10. As played OK postflop, I'd overbet push the turn if you're gonna (correctly) call a raise anyway.

9c7c: I'd give up on the turn, though the ace can eb a good bluff card.

Ah7c: Fine as played, tough luck he apparently hit a set. Read dependent this could be a call, but is a good fold against most.

As8s: Nice hand.

AhJh: Turn barrel is turning a made hand into a bluff. Check turn, evaluate river, hoping to check down.

9c7h: I completely stopped playing low unsuited conenctors like this, they just are not profitable over large samples for me. So I fold preflop. Postflop is standard.

AsTd: standard.
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07-19-2010 , 05:20 AM
Tc8c: fine, but he needs to fold at least 60% against 3bets, more is better. If he calls too much 3bets, just don't 3bet bluff him and let it go. As played you can't get away from it.

9c7c: I only iso-raise him when he folds a lot to cbets (60% or more). I like the turn barrel, because the ace is a great scare card for him. Too bad he apparently hit something.

Ah7c: fine.

As8s: fine. Maybe fold river if he's not a bluffer.

AhJh: also fine. I like the second barrel. He so often has a draw there and your hand is best.

9c7h: just fold it preflop.

AsTd: this is the kind of flop where a lot of people like to play back at you. I would check behind and see a free turn. Or I would repop the flop, although that can get you into tricky spots when he calls.
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07-20-2010 , 03:59 PM
I recently started playing NL5, feel its ok only played 2k hands.
At http://www.pokertableratings.com/ful...NL-6-Hold%27em
They ay my showdown frequency is very very low, whats up with that guys?
Am i trying to get money in too soon and scare people?
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07-20-2010 , 06:05 PM
Ruskii: I have no idea, and everybody else can only guess too. But I see it's only 2900 hands, and WTSD is a stat that can vary a lot over such a small sample.
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07-24-2010 , 06:31 AM
my pokerstars account keeps on using tournament money to register to sitngos instead of real money. how do i stop thils
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07-25-2010 , 03:27 PM
You can't i dont think. But Might I ask why you wouldnt want it to use T$?
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07-27-2010 , 05:57 AM
Just looking to see if there are any obvious leaks in my game apparent from my stats. Thanks a lot.

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07-27-2010 , 06:19 AM
Swarley27: no obvious leaks from these stats. Your steal percentage is very low, which makes it likely you are insufficiently position aware, but I can't seee that in this set of stats. Your postflop aggression is OK, though the drop in aggression between flop and turn is very big. That may well be a good idea though in this level.
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07-29-2010 , 04:29 AM
10k hands in 10NL. Any comments would be appreciated.


I dunno if this is a leak, but I pay about twice the amount of rake as of my winnings. Is this usual. =/?
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07-29-2010 , 05:08 AM
kilowaro: those stats look very good. Good job. Some small remarks:
(1) Your flop c-bet% is very high, probably OK now since you success rate is large enough, but you probably need to start developing a bit more judgement when NOT to cbet.
(2) Your fold-to-cbet% is definitely too high in general, though again this maybe is OK if you are playing vs people that only 3-bet 3% of the time. If I were playing against you, I would probably 3-bet your button opens about 20-25% of the time (given that you correctly open a ton of buttons, but then have to fold to a 3-bet).
Again, this could be quite correct the way you play it, but you have to look at who is sitting in the blinds and what they are doing.
Also, don't just start 4-betting like crazy. It's better to err on the side of caution like you are doing now.
(3) Your river aggression looks too low. This is a difficult but important topic: value betting the river. There is a ton of money to be won or lost from correctly/incorrectly value betting rivers.
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07-31-2010 , 02:27 AM
Any comments are welcome, I'm playing NL5 FR Rush poker, if there is a need for more stats, feel free to ask.





The gap between VPIP and PFR is probably to big?
Cold call preflop is a huge leak? How to solve it? Fold more or reraise more?
Any other leaks?

Thanks in advance
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07-31-2010 , 04:14 AM
jurado01: Yes, PFR/VPIP ratio is a bit too low, though not that much.
Try to filter to see how you do on pots where you limp or coldcall preflop. With marginal RIO hands like KTs, KJ etc you should probably either fold or iso-raise. Limping/coldcalling is better for hands that play well in multi-way pots like suited connectors and pocket pairs.

Postflop, your turn and river aggression are on the low side. This also causes your W$SD to be way too high: you probably are not value betting the river enough.
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07-31-2010 , 06:27 AM
The limping part:
openlimping or limp with previous callers:

At this moment i'm doing this with, between brackets ( what I should do more often) of course with respect to position and #limpers

Pocket pairs(=Limp?)
Suited connectors(=Limp?)
Axs(=Limp?)
ATo(=Fold?)
KJo (=fold? )
KTs(=Limp?)
K9s(=Limp?)
KQs (=isolate more?)



Cold calling part:

Dunno what to think of that.



River and turn aggression:

It was lower before, I kept in mind to get it at least to 2; however I don't know how to get it higher. I should educate myself more on that part.
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07-31-2010 , 08:44 AM
jurado:
Of that set, I'm only limping and/or coldcalling with the suited connectors (T9s down to 54s) and the smaller pocket pairs (22 / 99 or TT).
vs 1 limper, I will iso-raise all of the others. vs 1 raiser I'll fold nearly all of them, occasionally I'll 3-bet OTB vs a CO stealer. I'm never limping any of these vs a raiser or multiple limpers. These are bad hands for it: if you flop an ace/king for top pair, you'll often be putting money in the pot behind.
KQo/KQs can be a raise vs multiple limpers, and a 3bet or fold vs a raiser. Coldcalling is actually also OK, but harder to play postflop.
All of this is mostly in position. From the blinds I just fold or 3bet all of these, mostly fold.

Your two tables show how you can use the filter capabilities of PT3 or HEM to analyze your game: limping with your current range is probably not good. The coldcalling can indeed be better. I'm kind of surprised, since it looks like you are doing that more often than limping. But as you can see, it's mostly profitable to do it when you have the button postflop.

As for getting your turn and river aggression higher: never play with the goal of achieving certain stats. If it's working for you with non-perfect stats, great. Getting the AF higher is mostly a matter of calling less often. So maybe look at hands where you (1) called down with the worst hand -- should you have folded? or (2) called down with the best hand -- could you have gotten more value by raising and getting called?
For this you have to analyze individual hands.
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