Here are some stats from a couple different time periods of 10nl.

Which style of play is better? Why is there so much variance in the results?



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Do you see any big leaks in either data set?

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I have figured out alot on my own, but if someone would refer to some good reading about 18man turbos or optimal HUD numbers id be ecstatic

I d appreciate some comments on these 5nl (6max 100bb deep maximum buy-in)stats. I d be very interrested to know how good these stats are for 5nl and what adjustments would be necessary for 25nl
Thank you.
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huseens: Your stats look fairly solid to me. Yes, you are c-betting the flop a huge amount. Whether it's too much depends on whether opponents are exploiting it or not.
Your overall Agg Factor is also very high, probably because you are nearly never calling. That is probably good at NL5.

Overall these stats don't show any big leaks.

ChurroDonk: on the March stats you were limping way too much preflop. You seen to have fixed this in June y folding a lot more, which is good.
Postflop you are way too calling-stationy all the time. Your Aggr Factor is 1.6, while it really should never be below 3. This means you are not aggressive enough and calling too many bets/raises, where you should be raising or folding.

dan233: Some very nice results with a loose-aggressive style. Overall stats are OK< though I still think 32/21 cannot be good -- I'd stop limping a bunch of the things you are limping now.
Also, your W$WSF is VERY low, probably because you are seeing so many flops with crappy hands. All these hands where you are investing 1 or 3 or 4 BB to see a flop do add up in the end.

Dan223: I like your stats, lots of positional aggression in unopened pots. You call a lot of 3bets, though (58.6%)! I wonder how you fare in those pots? Hard to imagine you make money there.

I suspect you don't open-limp, but rather cold call a bunch in position (hence the gaps between your VPIP and PFR). How do you perform in those pots? I guess folding the weaker part of your range there might save you some money and bring your stats closer to something like 25/21.

I am having a hard understanding what I am doing wrong. I get paid on all my monster hands and I can value bet huge when I have strong hands and get paid....so why am I am not showing a profit. If the table has a lot of calling stations then bluffing doesnt become profitable so how do I win before showdown if they are more willing to call?

In other words if I hit trips, sets, flushes, nut straights then the game is easy because I know I am getting paid off but these hands dont happen often enough to compensate all the times I miss and they dont fold. Is that what my graph is showing?

Valuebet lighter. Against calling stations TPTK or sometimes even TP2K becomes a 3barrel for value-hand. Don't always immediately shut down when an overcard comes.

Cbet more. You can also c-bet a missed AK for value on the flop, because they will sometimes call with worse unpaired hands and then let you check out the hand to the river, if they are passive.

Raise more preflop. You can raise hands like ATo and KJs for value if they call with stuff like 87o.

Always try to be in position!

Agree.

Thanks. Could you please tell me how to check the bolded parts of your post please?
That s righ I never open limp. I do call in position sometimes as I feel it s profitable.
I think I like calling 3bets ip. Do you know how I can check this in HEM please?

dan233: You have to go to Filter --> Edit, and then check out the bazillion options to filter for everything you might ever imagine.

I wrote a decent guide to 18s here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...rategy-827039/

post #5 in thread. However, I learned these games on stars where the structure has antes. I personally do much better there, but if the ftp games work for you then go for it. I would switch, but it's personal preference.

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The main leak I spot from your stats is that you're flatting way too much lategame. When you have 8bb or less (as a minimum, maybe 10-12bb), you should be either jamming or folding pre. You don't have the equity to raise fold and when you flat you're inviting a jam. Your vpip and pfr should be nearly identical. The one exception of jam/fold play is when you're in the BB and you can check. In many cases you should jam here, but checking can often be a viable option.

Learn the concept of ICM and good ranges for jam/fold play. That's how you make money. Your early game stats (what I can see) looks good and your opening range progression seems solid as well. Just learn ICM and stop flatting lategame and you should become a solid winner.

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Please, are these correctly filtered to answer your questions above(in bold)?

Coldcall from BTN and CO
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Coldcall(i think this is for all positions though)
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Called preflop 3bet
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I also added these(if you have time to take a look):
"Did 3bet" filter.Opinions on this would be appreciated.
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Squeeze (all position)
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Squeeze BTN and CO
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What conclusions can we draw from comparing these two last ones (if any)?

Thanks in advance..

dan233: Yes, that's the right sort of filtering. AS for conclusions from this: take a look at the results, and you get a good clue that calling 3-bets out of position may not be a good idea ...

Dan233: I think the results speak for themselves.

Cold calling IP is +ev.
Cold calling OOP is -ev.
3betting is +ev.
Calling 3bets is -ev.

You might want to figure out which type of hands you cold call with that are +ev and which are -ev. I suspect you won a bunch of big pots IP with a set against an overpair.

The graph is 2 days old and I need to update it because I have just recently 3betting light, squeezing more and waiting for the action to be folded to me on the BTN and raising with almost ATC just to steal the blinds or force players to define their hands after they have limped (at rush poker). That worked okay for a while I was stealling a lot of pots but for every 20 pots I stole I would run into a hand who would call me down or C/R the turn after a fired a second barrel with air even if the flop was Ace high and I raised preflop.

I am still breakeven, my BR jumping from $650-700 and back over 3-5k hands.

I hope to update my graph, and I hope to show my red line running flat and my blue line also running flat and thus breakeven. It seems when I play more LAG? on the BTN I would open the pot as a pure bluff and like 80% of the time take the blinds either preflop or postflop. The other 20% of the time I fire that second barrel or make that shove on the river after the player has shown no strength makes that "hero" call or goes for the C/R and I have invested maybe 1/4 to 1/2 my stack each time.

Before I didnt try any bluffs I would only play for pure value, set mine, 3bet with TT, AQs+ only. Only call with SC's in position etc and if the floped helped me I would continue.

I find it very hard to bluff players here. Some times they min bet the flop after me on the BTN made it 4bb preflop, and I raise and they call, then they fire out another min bet OTT?!? of course I raise and they call and then they fire another min bet??! WTF of course I shove and they call me with BTM pair or something ******ed. Then I am left thinking I should just wait for aces take this suckers money.........so I do and the above graph is the result. I just fold and fold and fold and then when I get AJ UTG I fold that to.......etc.....or I get AK in position and 3bet it and the donk calls with T8 or something and out flops me and will not fold to my cbet or second barrel FU fish just fold. Okay fine I dont mind, I dont want to bluff anyway I just want to value bet.......but my redline sucks and is affecting my winrate.

Yes. It is a horrible idea indeed.
Thanks

Full Tilt Poker $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP1: $5.00
MP2: $2.47
CO: $2.24
BTN: $4.32
SB: $5.00
Hero (BB): $5.00
UTG: $3.81
UTG+1: $8.67
UTG+2: $5.75

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with A K
6 folds, BTN calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.35, BTN calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.72) 2 3 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.55, BTN raises to $1.10, Hero raises to $4.65, BTN calls $2.87 all in

Turn: ($8.66) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($8.66) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)



Its hard to bluff.................with the best hand lol

Thinvalue fold
i d say you might be in for some limited success with that kind shoving. coinflips

ThinValueFold: you appear to have absolutely zero position-awareness. You play about the same hands UTG and on the button (or at least your VPIP is the same.
That is a HUGE leak. Your button VPIP should be at least twice the UTG VPIP, and probably more.
If you don't understand why this is, it's way too complex to explain here. Have a look at the Small Stakes NL stickies, it has some great strategy material, totally free.

Okay so I stopped playing rush poker. I have my HEM HUD to show the following,

Name, Hands, VPIP, PreFlop Raise, Agg. Factor
EP, MP, CO, BTN, SB - Raise first in
3bet, Fold to 3bet, Flop Cbet, Fold to Flop Cbet, Turn Cbet, Fold to Flop Cbet
SB fold to steal , SB call to steal, SB raise to steal
BB fold to steal, BB call to steal, BB raise to steal

I took this idea from Verneer - Moving through uNL in 2010.



Graph at 10NL



My stats

I found players playing back at me or calling me down real light even when I didnt think they should.

ThinValueFold: Looks like you played superaggressive there, and bluffing too much, especially in the light of your own statement. Simple solution: stop bluffing, it's NL10. Just value-bet, but do it better than you have been doing.

But thats what I was doing..........I was just value betting and I was never bluffing. The graph tells me that the reason why I am not winning is because of my red line.