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07-01-2010 , 10:34 PM
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I had my worst month by far in June. I think I ran into the top of everyone's range at 10NL. It has been pretty miserable. It's like the harder I work the more I lose but woteva. Here are my biggest losing hands for the month also.

http://img20.imageshack.us/i/hembiggestlossesjune.png/

Last edited by gutshot23; 07-01-2010 at 10:37 PM. Reason: added more whining
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07-02-2010 , 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JustinJude
Thanks for the feedback fabadam - it's much appreciated.
I was scared that I was a weak tight nit but, now you've confirmed it, I'll take your advice and work harder on loosening up a little. When you talk about postflop aggression do you mean floating and firing the 2nd barrel with unmade hands that have missed the flop like AJ AQ JT? I'm a bit confused because they say to never bluff at uNL.
It is OK to play fairly nitty at uNL, since you can still win that way
Also, you must be careful not to overdo it. 2nd barreling and floating certainly do have their place, but only against the right players -- reads are very important.
Your stats look to me like you are not betting at all unless you have a fairly strong made hand -- your aggression frequencies are very low. That is the weak part. You are a tight player and you are going to have the best hand on the flop a huge amount of the time. So if your AJ misses (973 flop), be sure to c-bet in position against a single opponent. Maybe you are already doing this, but I don't think so, cause your aggr freq would be more like 45% on the flop then.
Good aggression is also more about thin value betting on the river. If you think a 2/5 pot bet will get a call from worse (for example, you have AK and the board is K873T), you can get quite a lot of value on the river.

There is no simple recipe for this -- you have to try and learn what works and what doesn't.
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07-02-2010 , 05:41 AM
gutshot23: Your stats look generally OK, though it looks like you might still occasionally be folding the best hand (W$WSF is low and W$SD is quite high).
I guess you have just experienced the negative side of variance, and have probably tilted quite a bit because of that too (on your top losing hand you lose nearly 3 buy-ins with an overpair vs obvious trips).
I know when I have downswings, usually half of it comes from tilty moves because I just cannot believe villains have a big hand AGAIN. Of course they usually do ...
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07-03-2010 , 09:55 AM
http://img84.imageshack.us/f/stats3h.png/ [POSITIONAL]
http://img191.imageshack.us/f/stats2j.png/ [OVERALL]
http://img27.imageshack.us/i/graph13.png/ [GRAPH]

Hey everyone.


I started playing poker about 5 months ago, but have only taken it seriously since about a month ago. I originally opted for a V. aggressive verging on maniac game which included quite a lot of bluffing and was play style more suited for enjoyment rather than grinding.
After a while (After about approx. 5000 hands or so), I decided to change my play style to be more tight and reduced the amount I bluffed, and basically playing ABC poker. I instantly found my win rate skyrocket. Obviously the sample size is only about 7000-7500 hands so it isn’t much of an indication of a realistic estimate. Yet, I have confidence that if I continue playing and continuing improving that I will soon be crushing 2NL.
However, I’m sure there is always room for improvement so I thought some of the 2+2 Regs would be able to offer some assistance.
One of my biggest leaks in my game is tilt and lately it seems I’ve hit quite a downswing in terms of luck. Where I always seem to get the short of the stick, My AQ vs. Villain’s AK or Villain makes his flush and I do not. This has a huge effect on my game and not only made me play C grade poker but my bankroll also falls dramatically.
It feels that I meticulously make the correct decisions and slowly improve my bb/100 and then due to one mistake everything just falls apart! It’s ****ing horrible and it slowly yet gradually affects my game play and down I go.
Overall, I honestly feel that I have an edge on most if not all players playing my new TAG poker game and if it were not for some really bad beats and mistakes which cost me dearly I believe I would be going much better.
There is room for improvement still and looking at my stats what should I focus on to improve my game? Thanks in Advance.

-Martin.
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07-04-2010 , 08:16 AM
mstr: I gather these stats combine the two phases of your play, which makes it hard to determine how your recent change worked out ...
Overall, your positional stats look quite OK, except that you seem extremely loose from the blinds. Don't be over-eager to limp if from teh SB or BB against limpers or minraisers. Try to be as tight with it as UTG.

Postflop you do seem over-agressive, at least over the total sample: flop ansd trn c-bet% are way too high, as are your overall aggression frequencies.

The consequence of this is that your W$WSF% is extremely high, but your W$SD is very low. It sitll looks like you are bluffing too much, or over-valuing mediocre hands like like top pair. When people call 3 streets of your bets, expect to lose the showdown with TPTK.
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07-06-2010 , 07:18 AM
I definitely have a lot of leaks, wondering if anyone can help me spot them. Thanks in advance for any help. Stats are from 2nl and 5nl from this year only not lifetime.

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07-06-2010 , 09:14 AM
Lobomos: your stats aren't showing any big leaks. On the whole it looks like you are rather too weak-tight postflop. Your flop aggression frequency is below 30%, and you seem to fold an awful lot to aggression. While with your preflop stats, you should have position and the best hand a lot of the time.
So it looks to me you are folding a lot of winners and not (value-)betting hard enough either.
Indicators for this: W$WSF% is below 40%, while your W$SD% is about 54% which looks like it actually too high!

So all in all, it looks to me you should try to improve your hand reading and postflop aggression.
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07-12-2010 , 09:56 AM




I know I dont bluff enough but I just got sick of players calling my C-bet and then c/r min raising me on the turn when I had AK/AK or a small pocket pair. I play tight and I like to fold, I try to fold my hands in the blinds because I hate playing OOP with a weak facing a raise.

I love to make fat value bets which almost always get called. I dont feel comforatble making 3 barrel bluffs at these levels as I get called light. How do I improve my red line, or a better question would be how do I improve my green line when I dont get a hand to value bet.
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07-12-2010 , 10:52 AM
Full Tilt Poker $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $3.50
Hero (BB): $5.00
UTG: $2.69
UTG+1: $6.00
UTG+2: $5.29
MP1: $7.65
MP2: $3.00
CO: $1.38
BTN: $5.00

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with J J
UTG calls $0.05, 7 folds, Hero raises to $0.17, UTG calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.36) 2 6 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.30, UTG calls $0.30

Turn: ($0.96) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $0.75, UTG calls $0.75

River: ($2.46) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, UTG calls $1.47 all in

My stats also show me as cbet 45-50% of the time.
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07-12-2010 , 11:35 AM
Just finished putting in 10K hands at Stars 2NL. Was hoping to have hit $60 profit so I could move up to 5NL but hit a bit of a downsing. I suppose that's standard though as I can't even remember the last time someone sucked out on me. I just tend to hit the top of their ranges or they spike a river before we're AI.

Anyway, here's my Stats/Graph. Pretty solid I feel but I know I have a lot of leaks so if anyone can pick on some from here please let me know.

General:



Positions:



Graph:




Thanks in advance.
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07-12-2010 , 11:45 AM
ThinValueFold:
I don't play RUSH, so I am not sure how those tables generally play. I'm guessing there are a lot of set-mining nits, but I could be wrong.

Now here is the main reason I don't play RUSH: you basically have no read on your opponents, because you don't have stats and have just never seen them before.

In general terms looking at your stats (pretending it's normal FR here): you are very tight preflop (VPIP 13, PFR 10). That means you will generally have the best hand on the flop: you will miss the flop 70% of the time, but so will your opponents.

You say "I don't bluff enough", but that's not all of it: your overall aggression frequency is only 22%. This means you are not even betting all your made hands. Also, your Agg Factor is below 3, which is just too low, especially for a tight player like you. I'd expect something like 5. This means you are not only not betting enough, you are probably also still calling too often.

There are basically only 3 good reasons to call rather than raise/fold:
(1) Because you think you are behind but are getting correct odds to call on a draw (this is the most important reason).
(2) As a trap: you know your opponent is an aggro monkey and you'd rather let him do the betting rather than raise and let him fold.
(3) For pot control. This is rather advanced.

What you seem to be doing insufficiently is think about opponents ranges. You make a c-bet (45% is way too low) and get called, and immediately assume your opponent has you beat.
Even if so, fine. If you have position, you can check the turn behind and see a free river. But your graph and stats are saying you are folding the best hand a huge amount of the time, when more betting would probably win you the pot without a showdown. Your red line would still be negative, but not a ridiculous as now. Your W$SD would go down, because occasionally you will overplay a hand. But that's OK too -- a W$SD that is so high above 50% shows you are folding too often too.

As for the hand: buy in full (or smaller), 50BB is a very awkward stack size for your style. For the rest the hand is meaningless without reads. I'd probably check/evaluate the turn.
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07-12-2010 , 11:50 AM
T-Bird: those stats look pretty solid if somewhat nitty (but that's OK). You may be running somewhat hot, since your blind results are huge even though you fold a ton to steals.

Only thing somewhat peculiar is the very large drop in agression from flop to turn to river. Your Flop AF of 15 is LOL huge, as is your turn AF. The river is suddenly much lower, even if still fairly high. It looks like you are folding (or re-raising) to nearly any raise, which is probably the right strategy at NL2. So carry on, but you may have to get a bit more tricky/expect opps to be tricky at higher levels.
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07-12-2010 , 01:36 PM
Yeah I was gonna say as reading that at 2NL I feel it's a lot more fit or fold against the fish. Having some trouble vs minraises as I hate calling and letting them see another card but hate shoving as I fold out worse or thy end up having a monster.
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07-12-2010 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by T-Bird
Yeah I was gonna say as reading that at 2NL I feel it's a lot more fit or fold against the fish. Having some trouble vs minraises as I hate calling and letting them see another card but hate shoving as I fold out worse or thy end up having a monster.
Yeah, I know that, because the silly minraisers occur at NL50 and NL100 too. I don't think there's a real answer to this. The best general tactic (for me) is to assume you're behind and go for pure pot odds/implied odds. But there are also a fair amount of fish that raise to see where they stand (with bottom pair) or as a pure bluff. Just go with your best judgment and don't be too hard on yourself when you turn out to be wrong.
Fold to all-ins though. I've called off way too many thinking they had to be a bluff. Very few fish have the guts to make really big bluffs.
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07-12-2010 , 07:15 PM


Im playing 2,25$ 18mans on FTP
I just want to ask if this looks normal or is there something serious im missing?
Ive had some bad luck in my recent sessions. Do you think my ROI can change to positive if i keep playing?

If u can comment on my stats too would be awesome.. I can post something else if needed.




Thanks for help, is appreciated.
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07-12-2010 , 07:24 PM
Discount my opinions significantly because I am a cash, limit player.

I think your stats look a little nitty, maybe a lot nitty. Post your stats by position and let's have a look at that.

Even 11k hands is kind of a small sample but since your graph line is pretty steady maybe your results are indicative. idk.

Yes, I am sure you can be a winning player. Is there anything in particular that makes you think you can't?
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07-12-2010 , 07:45 PM


Here by position. Looks horrible

Idk what NIT is, where do u see that im nitty?
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07-12-2010 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RuskiiSX


Here by position. Looks horrible

Idk what NIT is, where do u see that im nitty?
NIT is too tight. Maybe you are not, idk but your preflop looks a little tight to me. That may be saving you money though because: You look pretty loose post flop if I read things right.

We'll let someone who plays NL or a lot of SnG's help with whether 22/19 is nitty or whether your position stats are cool. Actually I kind of like your position progression from my perspective.

One stat on there that really looks suspicious to me is your WTSD stat. If I am reading it right you showed down about 75% of the hands you VPIP. That seems money leaking high to me. In the limit cash games I play WTSD is in the low to mid thirties and W$SD is 48-54 ish for winning players long term. You aren't playing cash, limit though so YMMV.

You might benefit from getting into a session review in the appropriate forum to see when other players are folding their cards. Also look in the SnG and or MTT forums to see what others stats look like.

Another thing that might benefit you is if someone who plays your games and your stakes comes along and comments.

Calling Mikes007, davidv1213, sputum, Ice, Lego, Ozi, BB99, CrazyFool, etc.. Any of you guys play these?
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07-12-2010 , 08:00 PM
thanks mister
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07-12-2010 , 09:31 PM
~12 k hands at 5nl this month, stats+graph








any input is appreciated
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07-12-2010 , 10:29 PM
Hi,

Can you post your stats by blind level? This would help to see if you are loosening up at the right times, i.e. when the blinds and antes are high. The key to SNGs is accumulating chips near the bubble when people tighten up. If you aren't opening your range in the higher blinds you have a major leak for SNGs.

RunNJump
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07-12-2010 , 10:46 PM
It looks like you're not folding enough when you decide to play hands. Post your stats by blind level and we'll be able to offer solid advice. Range in sngs is a function of both position and blind level. The positional progression seems ok, but blind level stats are much more important than positional ones as rising blinds affect positional ranges..
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07-13-2010 , 06:39 AM
Fear Itself: your stats seem to indicate you are extremely weak-tight.
Your preflop play is very tight-aggressive, which is OK.
Postflop, you seem to be mostly check-folding: you are betting/raising only 25% of the time on the flop. Someone who plays as tight as you do will have the best hand more than half the time I would think, so you are folding the best hand an awful lot.

Your postflop play could become much more aggressive.
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07-13-2010 , 06:47 AM


Here is by level, i couldnt get the early ones to show.
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07-13-2010 , 01:14 PM
NL5 SH on FullTilt

Any really big leaks? I think I am cbetting too much.
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