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05-21-2010 , 01:24 AM
Hi guys

It is my goal this year to get better at cash games (preferably 6 handed) and so far im doing terribly Iv made over 14k in Tournys and sngs with an ROI of over 20% yet for some reason im terrible at cash games. Im something like -4k in profit and -4/100 bb. These are my cash game stats i got off ptr:

VP$IP 32.76%
Af: 1.91
CC: 19.89%
C-Bet: 56.33%
WtSD: 32.42%
Pfr: 16.71%
Afq: 48.69%
3bet: 8.13%
4bet: 5.58%
W$SD: 47.46%

My assumption from this is that maybe im far too loose preflop?
What are your thoughts from looking at is? what are my leaks?
Any input is much appreciated

Last edited by Revengaa101; 05-21-2010 at 01:37 AM.
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05-21-2010 , 01:45 AM
yes, you limp, coldcall or call out of the blinds to0 much preflop Im preferring to that gap between your VPIP and PFR which is too large)

also im moving this to the stats thread. you might want to post over what sample size this is...also if you can post screenshots like others have done in the stats thread then thats usually better....
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05-21-2010 , 01:46 AM
Sample size?
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05-21-2010 , 01:46 AM
I am a sitngo convert too. the transition is hard at first because honestly my whole edge at SnGs was at endgame and in cash games there is no endgame. You are always 100bb deep so hand values change. It is something to get used to. you are playing too loose for a loosing player. the gap in your vpip and pfr is a problem that needs to be corrected by calling less or limping less or both. that is the glaring weakness.

Something else to think about is about 10K hands into cash I realized I had really no idea how to play the turn and river. The reason was I never had to in SnGs because the money had always already been in at that point.

The other stats are harder to tell leaks based on just those but in general Af should be higher and obviously W$SD could be higher and cbet higher as well.

Stats alone are not going to tell enough

post hands and ask questions. Maybe even get someone to watch a session of yours
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05-21-2010 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Revengaa101
Hi guys

It is my goal this year to get better at cash games (preferably 6 handed) and so far im doing terribly Iv made over 14k in Tournys and sngs with an ROI of over 20% yet for some reason im terrible at cash games. Im something like -4k in profit and -4/100 bb. These are my cash game stats i got off ptr:

VP$IP 32.76%
Af: 1.91
CC: 19.89%
C-Bet: 56.33%
WtSD: 32.42%
Pfr: 16.71%
Afq: 48.69%
3bet: 8.13%
4bet: 5.58%
W$SD: 47.46%

My assumption from this is that maybe im far too loose preflop?
What are your thoughts from looking at is? what are my leaks?
Any input is much appreciated
I'm trying to get better too so we'll see what everyone else says, but you do need to tighten up pre for sure and keep it below 30%. You should post the stakes you are playing as well, that makes a diff. Nice work on the tourney good lucky at cash.
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05-21-2010 , 01:51 AM
k thanks i thought cold calling too much preflop may be the problem i guess curiosiy gets the better of me sometimes. these stats are after aprox 45,000 hands
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05-21-2010 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by LetsGo
I'm trying to get better too so we'll see what everyone else says, but you do need to tighten up pre for sure and keep it below 30%. You should post the stakes you are playing as well, that makes a diff. Nice work on the tourney good lucky at cash.
Cheers man. This is mainly in .50/1 limits
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05-21-2010 , 03:15 AM
Need help looking at my game, I dont know what im doing wrong but im such a marginal winner

http://img175.imageshack.us/i/statssq.png/
http://img205.imageshack.us/i/positionalstats.jpg/

any help is greatly appreciated
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05-21-2010 , 08:59 AM
Matt Wolfe: Preflop figures look fairly OK. You can probably loosen up more in position, and tighten down in the BB somewhat, but that's not anything major.

Postflop, you are clearly too passive, and probably weak-tight. Your AF is only 1.5 per street, while it should at least be around 3 on the flop, and > 2.5 on turn too.
Raise and bet some more: your W$WSF is below 40% which is also quite low (maybe not so bad in fullring, I'm not sure), but your WTSD/W$WSF is just too high: if you win so much at showdown, you are either not value betting enough (which would lead to a higher W$WSF and a lower W$SD, because villains then fold some hands you'd win at showdown), or you are getting bluffed off teh best hand a lot of the time. Possibly both.
At this level (NL5), just bet for value with any hand that looks like it is the best hand.
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05-22-2010 , 03:23 AM



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05-26-2010 , 03:08 AM
rainmker: Looks like these are statistics for SNGs and MTTs, with an extremely small sample size. There isn;t much useful to say on SNG stats because it's so extremely stack size and bubble condition dependent.
Also it's only 125 tournaments which is nowhere near enough for meaningful analysis.
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05-26-2010 , 12:15 PM
I started playing 2NL on UB back in February. Once my account hit $200 I moved to Full Tilt as I'd found out about rakeback. I tried 10NL to begin with but I suffered from some bad beats and lost 6 buy-ins. Since then I've been playing 5NL. I now have 24 buy-ins for 10NL and want to have another crack at it, i'd just like some feedback first.

Here are my poker tracker stats so far:





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05-26-2010 , 02:26 PM
Cowboys: your stats look extremely nitty, you only open up exactly on the button, and not at all gradually as you approach the button. Also, considering your nitty preflop play, your W$WSF is too low -- though it seems you are doing esepcially bad OOP, which is better. You don't show any postflop stats, but I'm pretty sure you are playing too weak-tight / fit-or-fold postflop.
The graph shows you are running slighly below EV, but not really a lot over such a sample.
I'd say you should either try to win more pots without showdown, or get better value from made hands -- possibly both.
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05-26-2010 , 07:41 PM
Cowboys: your postflop stats are worse than I expected. Your Agg Factor is ridiculously low for someone playing so tight preflop. It looks like you are just check/foldoing any flop you miss. An AF below 3 is just way too low for someone like you. Bet more, call less, and just bet when it looks like you have the best hand. That includes AQ on a 763 flop.
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05-27-2010 , 06:51 AM
Hi what do you guys think about this stats

VPIP% 21.6
PFR 18
steal PCT 38.1


raise first in EP 9 %
raise first in MP 15%
raise first in CO 32.6%
raise first in BTN 41.8%
raise first in SB 45.5%


flop cbet % 75.5
turn cbet %35.8


AF 3.67

Agg% 32.7

flop agg% 32.7
turn Agg % 22.8% river Agg% 17.5



SB fold to steal 85.3%
BB fold to steal 78.2%

3bet% 6.3
fold to 3bet % 66

W$WSF 47%
W$SD % 55.6


this is 5-6players $100-600 normal tables and some shallow stack tables and some cap tables
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05-27-2010 , 07:24 AM
Post your question here:
Offical Beginners stats thread

This a rather limited set of stats. Looks fairly OK from the looks of it, with a rather amazingly high combo W$WSF/W$SD.

If you are really playing winning at NL100 to NL600, I dont think you need to ask advice about your stats in Beginners forum.
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05-27-2010 , 08:35 AM
I've only been playing according to the 'beating the micros' guide on this forum. I've read a bit about blind stealing and positional awareness. Therefore, my postflop play is very limited. I get scared to commit to a pot when i've missed the flop.

Is floating more an option? Is there any guides or books you recommend I read?

Any advice is much appreciated.
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05-27-2010 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
Post your question here:
Offical Beginners stats thread

This a rather limited set of stats. Looks fairly OK from the looks of it, with a rather amazingly high combo W$WSF/W$SD.

If you are really playing winning at NL100 to NL600, I dont think you need to ask advice about your stats in Beginners forum.
ok so i should post it in the Poker Theory ? or just not at all ?
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05-27-2010 , 10:16 AM
Cowboys: yes, there are books and guides. You Small Stakes NL sticky has a ton of links to very valuable posts throughout time. As for books, I like Harrington on Holdem 1 and 2. Harrington's book on Cash Games I like far less. Also Professional No-Limit Holdem by Mehta and Miller is good.
But start with the small stakes sticky, that's a great start and free ...
Also, read and post on Microstakes NL on hands.

As for your postflop fear: remember that most of the time you miss the flop, but your opponents misses too. And if you are the preflop raiser and make a continuation bet, they'll have a hard time calling when they miss. Actually, you will be ahead a lot of the time.
So, learn to think about your opponent's hand range, and see whether you think they'll be able to call a bet from you. In short, learn to play poker ...
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05-27-2010 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Capiosa
ok so i should post it in the Poker Theory ? or just not at all ?
Any advice given to you here on your stats is necessarily very high level -- after all, it's just a few numbers, that can't reflect all the nuances of your poker play.
It's just that for many beginning players, they often have a few big glaring leaks that stick out just by looking at the basic stats.
I can't imagine that a winning player at NL600 would have any leaks that I (I play NL50 at the moment ...), or anyone else here would spot just from looking at your stats.
Maybe good midstakes players could be telling you that you're 3-betting from the SB too much vs UTG open-raisers or something like that, but that level of detail never plays here (plus no one is going to make that detailed of a study of your stats for free...)

Basically, if you are a winning player at NL100 or higher, you are far from a beginner. You have to go the the small stakes or mid stakes forums and join the discussions there. I don't really know whether they still do generic stats discussion there.
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05-27-2010 , 08:01 PM
Hi first post here.

Sorry if this is the wrong thread to be posting to, I'm a newb when it comes to this. Please tell me anything/everything in whatever way you want. I dunno how to interpret any of these stats. Please let me know if I didn't include some other stats I am supposed


If you can, please try not to abbreviate poker words as I am very slow in understanding.

This is all .5/$1 Rush Poker at Full Tilt and all hands are 9 handed.

Thanks!

http://img84.imageshack.us/i/pokertrackerstat1.jpg/

http://img188.imageshack.us/i/pokertrackerstat2.jpg/
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05-28-2010 , 03:05 AM
beefcurry: these are extremely successful figures. For normal full ring, I would say you are playing way too loose preflop, especially from early position.
Also, your aggression frequencies postflop are almost crazy.

I have almost no experience at Rush Poker, but it looks like the format is letting you get away with playing super-aggressive, presumably because people have no good read on you.
Or maybe you are just really good, or you just ran super hot for 33k hands.
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05-29-2010 , 06:01 AM
Was wondering what you guys think of my stats. I only been playing for few months and still trying to perfect my game at the .01/.02 limit full ring, before I move up. Any tips would be appreciated.

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/position.jpg

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/a...ce/details.jpg

2000 hands played and saw flop:
- 155 times out of 268 while in small blind (58%)
- 145 times out of 264 while in big blind (55%)
- 256 times out of 1468 in other positions (17%)
- a total of 556 times out of 2000 (28%)

Pots won at showdown - 49 out of 106 (46%)
Pots won without showdown - 240
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