At what point in Harrington on cash games does he recommend 10 tabling? I would start playing looser/more aggressive on 4 tables, then when you start becoming more comfortable picking up habits of the players and finding a way to beat the game with actions in alot of situations becoming automatic then you can start playing more tables.
Sorry if I come across as a dick, but I myself was 10tabling for like 6 months and have recently started playing 4 and my winrate has been significantly increased.

I play NL HE 0.02/0.04

I played 16516 hands.

I have 3.98BB/100.

I have more than 200$ on my account.

My stats are:
VP$IP: 15.15
PFR: 11.05
W$WSF:40.55
WTSD: 26.74
W$SD: 53.22
AF: 1.73
AFq: 40.39
3Bet: 1.79
Fold 3B: 64.64
Att to Steal : 25.22
Fold BB to Steal: 87.26
Fold SB to Steal: 94.26
CBET F: 51.09
Flop AF: 2.07
Turn AF: 1.25
River AF: 1.69

I have good feeling when I play. Should I go to the next limit?

Thanks for your advice

Hi everyone,

I've recently started playing real money games, and i'm trying to learn as much as i can to make +EV decisions. Reading books, snooping around 2+2 and watching training video's.

i only play 6max because i think i fit betting in the agressive playing style there. I mostly play 3-4 tables at once.

The first real leak i discovered in my game i was bluffing way to much, try to push calling stations off hands and such. Nearly all my big pots in 1Pair or high cards show nastly bluffs which cost me allot! The second big leak was that i would need a better hand to call then to raize myself. the third problem i struggle with is tilting, i seem to be very profit orientated and it gets me hard when fish hit their runner-runner flush draw after betting large (even that i know its +EV in the long run for me)

So thats what i'm allready working on.

Thanks in advance for any advice to inprove my game, i need it!

^Above^ You're clearly bluffing too much/value betting rivers too thin/calling river bets too wide, at micros our graph should more or less always be the other way round with our showdown winnings in profit as fish will pay us off alot. These stakes are about making hands and value betting them, not making hero calls or bluffs as people will not fold.

Does that also mean i should not C-bet close to 90-100% of my range? And opening 35% of hands to steal the blinds... Because i've bin reading thats what 6max is all about.

beyond c-betting i'm allready trying to just go for fat value, but i think reading all those books and video's made my play extremly fancy.

half_day:
You are now playing NL4, and presumable want to move up to NL10 or so. For NL10, you have 20 buy-ins. It depends on your bankroll management strategy and personal confidence whether you now want to move up. Personally, I am more of a bankroll nit (I want to have at least 30 buy-ins to move up), but it's OK, to make a 5 buy-in shot at NL10. Just move back down if you lose 5 buy-ins.

As for your stats
(1) Your preflop stats are very tight, OK if you play full-ring, but too nitty for 6-max IMO.
(2) Postflop you are quite passive. Your aggression frequency is on the lower side of the good range, but your Agg Factor is definitely too low. This means you are probably calling in a lot of places where you should be raising or folding.
(3) In principle you are not stealing enough and not defending blinds enough, but that's not very important at this point so I wouldn't worry about it for now.

JustSay TheWord:
First of all, stop posting the blind in the cutoff. It's a -EV play.

Second, you are not showing us a number of relevant stats, specifically Agg Factor and Frequency by street. However, looking at your graph you are probably bluffing too much like LukeRad says.
And no, you should not be c-betting 90-100%, more like 70% at the most. Basically, just value bet at these levels: bet when you think you have the best hand. This can mean c-betting with AK on a 522 flop because you are ahead of everything except pocket pairs or weird hands that hit. But don't c-bet 76s on a KQ8 flop, because they are going to be calling you a ton and you'll be behind and just burning money.
So maybe you are indeed being too fancy -- take a better look at your opponents and play to their weaknesses, not to some perceived fancy thoughts they don't have to begin with.

FABADAM: Ty for the ads.

i'd like to share my stats for every position, so you can have a better idea of what my game is (20k hands):

SB VPIP 53 PFR 16 (3.7K hands)
BB VPIP 22 PFR 6 (3.7K hands)
UTG VPIP 26 PFR 20 (3.6K hands)
UTG+1 VPIP 20 PFR 17 (3.1K hands)
C-O VPIP 16 PFR 14 (1.85K hands)
BUTTON VPIP 32 PFR 24 (3.7K hands)

Maybe i'm playing too loose from the blinds and too tight from the C-O. What's wrong in your opinion? What are the stats of a very good player?
TY

UtherLigthBringer:
This is really odd. How can you have played ~3700 hands in ech position but only 1850 in the cutoff? Are you sure you're not switching UTG and CO here?
Your numbers are also way off. Basically they should get higher as you get nearer to the button. So 26/20 UTG is definitely way too loose. It looks reasonable though if we swap UTG and CO ...
Also, limping 37% in the SB is really loose, even if you are getting 8 to 1 because it's a family limpfest. I'll also assume the 16% PFR in the SB is mostly stealing blind vs blind?

BTW, you can't say "stats should be so and so" for a good player, just some tendencies (PFR close to VPIP, looser near the button, etc.) are almost universal for good players (and also achieved by some fairly bad players).

Hi, I've started playing poker again after a long break. I'm playing NL100 now and your advice would be really useful.

My thoughts:
1) My blind play sucks. I think I don't defend my blinds enough and when I do, my postflop play sucks.
2) I CBet too much?.. Although my Cbet Flop Success is 41.7%.
3) I think I steal too little.
4) Non Showdown Winnings are way too bad.








Thank You!

Sir_weed: I don't think you can realistically see your leaks from your stats here.
True, your cbet% are rather highish, and you are basically not winnin much with it at 41% success (if you cbet 2/3 pot and have 40% success, you are basically winning 0.4 pot and losing the same if you'd never win a pot after cbetting, which is obviously not so, but the cbetting itself seems to be about EV 0 then.)
You don't show steal%, but if it's below 30% it's definitely way too low, probably about 35-40% is the sweet spot (try the HEM leak articles, they wil have something here).
Strangely your W$WSF is at 44% which isn't super, but is not weak tight either, quite reasonable. Maybe you are 2-barreling too much and losing there?
Your results in the SB are awful, don't know what's going on there, maybe overplaying BvB situations?

All in all, don't know what's wrong with these stats, except that yes, your red line is quite awful. Given your high W$SD, it's likely you are folding the winning hand to pressure quite a lot, but even that is a guess.

I did show steal% but you could have easily missed it because it's in a small crappy screenshot (I don't know how to fit all the stats in one window in HEM so I can take a screenshot)

Here it is again:


My steal% is 36.4 so it seems reasonable then.

What would be ok VPIP/PFR from SB? I think I'll focus on working on SB right now. Thanks.

very low as we are obv in the worst position possible.

First of all thanks for the advice, but if you look at the first image i posted, the last row does show Agression factor for each street.
Its:
Flop AF: 4,11
Turn AF: 3,14
River AF: 3,37

The agression frequency street by street are:
Flop AFq: 54,52
Turn AFq: 55,06
River AFq: 55,46

I must admit i never realy understood the use of the agression frequency, maybe someone can clear it up here...

So idealy my river agression should be more something like 2?

Regards,

JSTW

JSTW: Aggression Frequency is really very simple: it is just the percentage of times you bet/raise when it's your turn (instead of check/call/fold). Having it above 50% is really over-aggro, since it means you must be bluffing such a huge percentage. AF generally goes down a bit more from street to street, since you need to be stronger (on average) to bet/raise the turn than the flop. I'm not sure what ideal AF for the river, since it depends so much on how often you call, and that's very variable due to changing circumstances. ANywhere between 2 and 3.5 Ivcan be OK maybe.

My stats at the upper micros lately have been running around 12-10-41. (VS/PFR/AG)

Sometimes even l even run down around 10VS. It seems that this is my formula for the most success. But, is that too nitty? I'm regularly the lowest V$ at my table.

I try to open up, but I always tend to go on bad runs when I do.

Is that a plausible stat line for future winning poker, or am I going to have to start opening it up more?

doomswitch: I suppose you play fullring. I am more a 6-max player, so don't know the finer points of full-ring.
At the higher levels, it vertainly seems to be a "race to the bottom": who can play the tightest. There, I don't think 12/10 is very weird.
However, if you have trouble player looser than this at the micro levels, you are almost certainly not good enough at hand reading and opponent reading.
So, the super-tight play is not bad in itself (personally, I'd rather have tooth surgery than play so tight, but I'm a 6-max player), but if it's your only way to win at very low levels, you have a lot to learn.

Good posts, and I should have mentioned... I play 6-max, which means I'm a supreme nit, I guess. I also play a decent amount of CAP tables.

I don't play nitty because I fear my opponents ranges or because I'm confused. In fact, I've just done some stat keeping and figured out that I get my money all in (or all in CAP) at about a 3:1 ratio. I do well at showdown.

I play tight because I'm dead-afraid of being drawn out on. My pattern is that I play up a nice gain in my BR, and then go on a brutal run of 3-out-style losses, and wind up in worse shape than I was.

I'm not confused by these players at 25NL at all. In fact, I feel like I know where I am 90% of the time. I'm regularly thinking... "these guys are so bad." (And I don't consider myself great by any stretch.)

But, this pattern has me paralyzed to play a nitty style, as I'm too worried about massive negative variance runs, which seem to crush me every couple of days.

So, my way around that is to play air-tight ranges, steal blinds when I can... and only loosen up against players with wacky stats.

Air-tight seems to be the only way I can curtail the brutal variance downswings I go on. But, I also feel like I might be capping my upside.

I guess I just wondered if those numbers looked out of line, and if they're going to eventually hurt my chances, or if that's potentially a winning style for me if I can ever get cards to run my way?

FABADAM:

Thanks for the tips. And you, at which stakes do you play?

And i'd like to know something bout your stats (stats of a good player), so i can fix my target for the future.
TY

Hey all,

I was waiting for 20k hands originally but I am sick of losing money. I think I have been playing a solid game--essentially playing any pair and AQ/AK. That being said I still feel like a donkey getting consistently outplayed. Any help would be greatly appreciated... Here are my stats/graph.

5nl
Hands: 11k
VPIP: 14.0
PFR%: 7.8
3bet%: 3.1
flopcbet%: 80%
flopcbet success: 56.4
fold% vs. 3bet: 46.6
call% vs. 3bet: 38.6
raise% vs. 3bet: 14.8

Hey guys. Im new to 2+2 and I'm here because I want my game to improve and i want to be part of a community of people who genuinely want to help. First things first i have been playing for 2 years now and i am fairly proficient in the game. I have a weekly home game and i play in my local casino. I'm not high stakes by any stretch of the imagination. My home game is 20 euro buy in and the casino is 25. I find i can Handel myself well in these games. I win at the casino and i kill at home. But my on-line game sucks ass. Can anyone tell me the first steps to have my play evaluated? If this is not what 2+2 is for then im sorry i dont mean to offend. Any help would be appreciated.

Hello everyone, I was just wondering if you can notice any large leaks in my game that I can plug. I am currently playing .01/.02 NL, with the goal to move up within the next few day. Hopefully someone can notice some holes, or else I truly am bad!


Total Hands: 9,466
Amount Won: $29.61
Won per 100 hands: $0.31
BB won per 100 hands: 7.82

VP$IP: 18.14
VP$IP from SB: 24.36

Raised Preflop: 15.19

Saw flop all hands: 20.18
Won $ when saw flop: 45.92 (!!!)

Folded SB to steal: 87.78
Folded BB to steal: 80.09
Folded BB to steal HU: 79.03

Folded to flop bet: 64.31
raise: 51.18
Folded to turn bet: 62.84
Folded to turn raise: 34.00
Folded to river bet: 60.73
Folded to river raise: 29.63

Went to showdown: 25.45
Won $ at showdown: 46.91 (!!!)

Blind Defense: Times Fold Won w/o SD Went to SD Won $ at SD
SB 221 87.78 7.01 3.17 85.71
BB 226 80.09 10.60 3.98 66.67

Attempt to Steal Blinds: 23.88

Steal Success: No flop Flop Won w/o SD Went to SD Won $ at SD
47.91 20.29 76.79 12.55 48.33

First action on the Flop after a Preflop Raise:
Raise: 3.48
Bet: 43.19
Call: 3.76
Check: 5.01
C/R: 0.00
Fold: 4.17
No flop/no action: 40.40

Player Actions Actions Raise Bet Call Check Fold Agg Factor Aggr Freq
Preflop 9,523 15.19 0 3.76 8.00 72.95 4.07 16.62
Flop 2,248 12.57 61.57 8.32 26.73 21.52 5.61 63.69
Turn 1,206 9.97 41.82 9.95 39.80 21.20 3.19 52.75
River 738 9.72 32.59 11.11 44.85 20.20 2.24 45.21
Total 13,715 12.57 50.97 5.45 15.85 56.30 4.15 58.13

Known Final Hand Summary
Final Hand Times Saw flop F-Flop F-Turn F-River WTSD W$SD Win% Win$
High Card 1,946 535 39.63 42.21 31.25 11.59 9.68 7.86 -33.48
One Pair 3,009 880 18.98 23.13 25.50 23.07 39.90 13.49 -22.20
2 Pair 1,041 299 5.02 8.19 17.39 46.49 53.24 16.14 2.12

Position Statistics
Position VPIP PFR CCPF Win% W$WSF Amount Won
BTN 20.36 16.36 3.11 14.42 59.07 24.47
CO 17.62 15.85 5.14 4.46 47.60 6.81
MP 14.99 13.53 4.46 9.55 53.24 0.36
UTG 14.35 13.65 / 9.57 59.52 4.75
BB 14.39 11.76 / 29.32 37.67 -12.55
SB 24.36 16.59 / 16.20 53.63 5.77

Hi guys thought id post my stats now i've got a decent sample size, i moved to 10nl a couple of months ago with limited success. I am really inconsistant, ill have a few winning session then a few losing sessions. Here the stats for you guys to look at see what you think.






I am losing far to much from the blinds how can i stop this just play fit or fold from the blinds?






I am running well above EV but it does take into account set over set and underpair hits set against AA/KK ect or is this somthing i should worry about when variance levels?


Thank for your help.

Bump

Big Mick, I'm grinding your limit too. First of all, I think you flat call too much PF. Your PFR should be closer to your VPIP. If you have got some hands that you're not sure about raising pf, simply fold them and wait for better spots with hands you find more comfortable with, then raise. At this limit, you have to be aggressive and you can't do that by flatting pf.
You loose a lot of money in the SB because you complete it too much. Just play hands that you raise for value there unless on the big blind there's a nitty player, at this limit is might became difficult to outplay you're opponents postflop since they'll call with a lot of things, especially in bvb.
Finally, you have to be more aggressive postflop: read the guides about cbetting flop and turn.