thanks for the feedback mate. i will look into these points u made and see if i can improve em.
tried 8 tabling 6max for 1st time tonight, found that it brought my vpip/pfr down to 25/21 area. should help me. cheers.

I need help!

I was crushing the NL5 tables, moved up to NL10 and continued my hot streak until the ~ 7.5k hand mark where since then I just seem to run into better hands EVERY time i show down. I know this must be part of my mentality towards losing but it feels like TPTK<Set/2pair/Overpairs every time. I just can't seem to get any value from any of my TPTK type hands where as before they were holding much more.

Could this just be a bad run of luck? Should I tighten up my calling range a bit? I have never had - so far - a run as bad as this

Deadlockk--you're not nearly as positionally aware as you should be. VPIP from button should be much higher than from EP, not just a few ticks. My VPIP by position is 10/13.5/21.6/33.7 for EP-->BU.

Playing more hands in position should get you back on the right track.

deadlockk: I certainly wont be able to see the difference (if any) in your play before the downswing and after if all I see is the total stats. I'd suggest you have a look yourself at your stats over the first stretch and over he second and see what changed (apart from not being able to win a showdown to save your life in the second bit).
Over teh 2.5 k hands it can certainly be negative variance, probably compounded by bad play because you are losing confidence -- I know I play worse when confronted with such a string of beats.

As for your stats: you are coldcalling quite a lot, and it looks like you are also open-limping some (since your EP PFR is lower than your VPIP). Do that less for sure.

Furthermore your River Call Efficiency does seem low. In my experience people at this level basically only bet the river with strong hands, so you should call very little.

However, I think it's more useful if you analyze your sessions of that last 2.5k hands. At the very least look the the 20 biggest losing pots to see whether you were getting it in bad a lot.

Thanks for the advice.

I will take your advice into account and post back some results next week.

Hello! This is my first post here. I would like to hear some opinions on my game. The stats are about NLHE10 6-max. Really appreciate it.
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trippin:
Welcome to 2+2.
Your play looks fairly solid, but it tends to weak-tight. This is why the red line (money without showdown) is costing you money. You are letting yourself get pushedd off pots, rather than doing the pushing yourself. Also, your W$WSF is less than 40%, which really is too low for someone with your stats.
What you need to do, is become slightly more aggressive in the right places (finding those places is the hard bit).
First preflop. You are calling rather than raising about 1/3 of the time you enter the pot. That's slightly too much, although not dramatically so. Try raising a bit more in position. Out of position, if you don't dare to raise, fold.
Postflop, you are betting and raising quite a lot on the flop, but on the turn and rover you stop doing that. Try to find more situations on the turn and river to bet for value, or to bluff at those small pots nobody seems to be interested in.

I can't give you any easy rules here, you'll have to learn by trying it yourself. Try to put yourself in the place of your opponents. Would you call in their ituation if you bet? If not, maybe you can bet and they will fold, rather than you checking and foldong.
Be careful, because it's easy to overdo this and that is spew.

fabadam, thank you very much for your quick reply. I'll try to improve my game and take your advice into account.

I've been rolled recently for 25nl so I've decided to make it my main game. I haven't played many hands yet, but I just wanted a preliminary idea of what I should be looking out for in my game style.

nautuna: I see you play full ring, which I don't play, so I am less sure what "good" stats are for full ring.
That said, your number look fairly solid like those of an 8-tabling TAG nit.
It's a bit weird your CO VPIP is higher than your button VPIP/PFR. Proably you open up a lot on the button. On the rest of the position you are very tight, which I think is close to correct in fullring.
Also, you are not defending your blinds at all, it seems. I think you can start doing that a bit, mostly by not folding to very aggressive stealers -- if a button who steal 50% or so on the button (fairly common), just open up your 3-bet range a lot, you'll still be ahead of his range.
I am not sure how full ring runs, especially how many multi-way pots there are, because that sort of defensive tricks is more for heads up situations.

I recently started playing internet poker, and after playing some freerolls and fooling around and losing my initial deposit of $30, I decided to give cash games a derious try, and I went fairly well in 5NL, so I decided to move up to 10NL, which went quite a bit worse, though mostly due to terrible luck when all in. On the graphs, the first 5838 hands are 5NL, while the rest is 10NL.

From reading previous posts here, I think my stats are mostly what they are supposed to be, and I don't think I have any major leaks. I do have a problem with sometimes calling when I have deduced I'm probably beat, just to find out I was 100% right. Guess I gotta start trusting myself a bit more. Any views would be much appreciated, thanks in advance.

Dauemannen:
LOL, that's a problem we all know. Basically at the micros, hardly anybody is capable of making good river bluffs. So when people bet, just try to think of a hand that has you beat, see if it makes any sense with their play. If so, fold. If the 3rd flush card comes in, and they bet pot or more, they have the flush. If the board is dry, you'll usually find they are the kind that slowplays their set to the river. Occasionally, you'll have rivered a straight or something similar yourself and you CAN call (or raise). Then you'll see what they have.

The short rule is: if they bet the river big, they can usually beat one pair, so you can safely fold all your TPTK type hands.

As for your stats they look like the solid nitty TAG kind. I'm guessing you're losing money in non-showdown pots. That's OK, but there are ways to reduce these losses, by gradually making small changes to your play:
(1) Start defending your blinds a bit, especially against people who have been stealing a lot of blinds. The easiest way is 3-betting with reasonable hands. You are going to encounter truckloads of folds from the steal-raisers.
(2) Instead of check-folding small pots, take an occasional stab at a board that looks like nobody has anything.

If you do just 2 of each of these every 100 hands, you may well be successful in stealing the pot 75% of the time, adding a few bb/100 to your overall win rate.
As I have said many times before (just look up in the thread) don't go overboard with this, it's an easy route to spewing away most of your profits.

Thanks for your reply. What you said makes sense, especially the first paragraph, which is kinda what I've been thinking and it's good to get it somewhat confirmed.

I posted a picture of my showdown/non-showdown winnings, and as you can see, my red line is somewhat flat and just slightly positive.

(1) I know I probably should defend my blinds a bit more, but I hate playing out of position, and I also don't like 3-betting very weak hands. Therefore I often end up folding hands like low aces and broadways when vacing a steal, unless I'm up against a notorious stealer, in which case I lower my standards quite a bit. Luckily though, I don't encouter many of those at NL10. Folding BB to steal 80% of the time is probably too much, but then again, most people don't steal more than 20% or so, so most of them do have decent hands.

(2) What exactly do you mean by this? If I'm heads up after a PF raise, I generally always bet a dry board while checked to or first to act, unless I'm up against a known calling station. I sometimes Cbet multiway pots, but there my standards are a bit higher. If it's limped to me in BB (or it's limped to SB, and I limp for half price) I generally don't bet the flop unless I have a hand, and sometimes not if I have a hand, either, to disguise it. Occasionally I do take a stab when a bluff would make sense, but only heads up or 3-way, but then again limpers tend to also be calling station, so this is indeed not a bluff to try too often.

It's hard to define "pots no one cares about" in detail. To me it's often pots that everyone checks -- that's why position is so important.

Here is a recent example I dug up:
Two LP's limp to me on the button, I raise to 5.5 bb with Qc9h.
Flop is AcTc8s. Checks thru. I don't cbet, because my HUD says these guys don't fold, and they certainly won't fold an ace.
Turn is 5c. It is checked to me again. I now bet about 3/5 pot. I have a reasonable semi-bluff, and there's a chance this is actually a value bet. I'm expecting to get called by a pair, but I may be able to bluff that out on the river, and I have lots of outs. It was folded.

This is just one I could find quickly. I'll also often bet bottom pair out of position on the turn when the flop is checked through 4 ways.

Hello 2+2, today was my first day taking a serious try at cash games and using PokerTracker. The goal was to only use a dollar on PokerStars and see what happens. I'm usually playing NL HE SnG's, and I'm sure to the trained eye my stats reflect that. Any advice or tips would be helpful! I also posted a starting hand image to show my PFR's and to see if those are justified in limit or not, since stealing blinds/pots is so much harder and you get called with such a wide range. I definitely opened up my usual range, but it looks like my graphs are pretty sporadic, even though it's over a super small sampling.











Thanks!

enbox, 670 hands is way too low a sample size. Still, if I were to meet you at table over all these hands, I'd flag you a "thinking loose-passive". VPIP 40, PFR 11 really isn't good though you can get away with it maybe at these low stakes.

On looking at your botton chart -- it looks like this is actually FIXED LIMIT play? In that case those stats are even worse, but in another way.

sounds good. I definitely agree that the VPIP 40 is way too much, but I also was targeting tables with 2 or 3 people on them instead of full ring when I was testing out .2/.4. I usually am I lot tighter, promise! I just kind of thought in my own ignorance that you could loosen up on small limit game tables, because I've also been having issues with opening up my range in SNG's and playing a little too tight lately. Should I just give up on limit and go for NL? Limit is just so weird because there's really no position or PFR "respect" if that's the word. Thanks again! And please, feel free to tear apart those stats, I'm really interested in getting good at cash games. Also, would you recommend 6max or full ring? I would assume full ring so I can tighten up a lot? And is my PFR too high or too low?

i use holdem manager and would like to post my stats but i doont know how. help please

hello everyone. i'm new to this website and trying to improve my game at 10NL. any advice or criticism would be appreciated, just trying to get better. please help! looking to be a winning player, just struggling at the moment.

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neil02:
Overall, you are playing way too passive, calling too much and not betting/raising (and folding) enough.
Preflop your VPIP/PFR is not bad, you are tight but you do call rather than raise or fold a bit too much. Also, you are calling way too many 3-bets, you should probably be folding more than half of them at this level.
Postflop you are definitely WAY too passive. Your aggression frequencies are around 20% on eacht street, which means you don't even bet the flops you hit. Also your AF is below 2 which indicates you are also calling way too much: at NL10 most people have a strong hand when they bet/raise (like yourself) so you should fold unless you are really strong, in which case you can probably raise.

This is classic weak tight. Try to value bet relentlessly at this level. When you think you have the best hand preflop, raise. Let them pay to see a flop with you.
When you hit the flop and it looks like you probably have the best hand, bet. If you get called, re-evaluate the turn, and bet again if you think they have called you with worse. Right now, you basically only win when you have a very good hand, and you're probably also not making the pot big enough in those cases.

Fabadam thank you for the reply. You have some very good advice, and I will try to implement what you've said into my game. I definitely agree with your points. I believe one of the biggest problems, is that I call way too many 3bets, which you have pointed out, and that I only win pots when I have a really good hand. Thanks for the reply, it helped out a lot!

I decided to 'go pro' last July. For the first two months, everything went fine. I was hitting my daily, weekly, and monthly goals. Then I got sick. I had a severe allergic reaction followed by an even more severe allergic reaction to the medication they gave me for the first allergic reaction. Since then . . . Well, I won't post my full results (and graphs) until FTP emails me back, but here are my stats from September 1st through December 1st

~27,000 hands -

VP$IP - 19.67
W$WSF - 40.43
PFR - 11.04
WTSD - 20.77
W$SD - 53.66
PF AF - 1.11
Flop AF - 4.23
Turn AF - 2.97
River AF - 1.68 :/

Again, I'll post the full stats and screenshots when FTP replies with my stats from July 1 to Sept. 1. I will say this, though; my EV vs actual money won graph looks . . . very bizarre.

jkenny: That sucks mightily from the sound of it.
However, I don't think looking at your stats is gonna do anything to help. It's more a matter of maiing sure you take your A-game to the tables, which you probably aren't when troubled by medical problems. Handling the bad side of variance is something you're not going to be capable of under such circumstances.
(I know that nearly every time I have a downswing, I compound the run-bad with frustration-induced play-bad.)

I decided to give Rush poker a chance and I deposited $100.
Here are my results at 10NL and 25NL both full ring and 6max. HM doesn't distinguish between FR and 6max (or I don't know how) and some hands are filed under rush and others aren't because I made the update late. Also I played at least 2/3 of the hands without a HUD.



Any advice? Any glaring leaks? Should I add other, more meaningful, stats?
Thank you for your time,
TK

TinyKahuna: More of a brag post IMO. Pretty impressive you can play like this without any reads on opponents. Or did you somehow manage to get notes on people? I've tried only a tiny bit of Rush Poker and would have to slow down a lot to get reads, which sort of defeats the purpose.

BTW, HM has a report (Top left, where it says "By Stakes") where it splits everything into number of players.