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01-25-2010 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by mojo6911
Play less tables and learn how to play poker.
+1 to this, drop down to like 4 tables and learn how to read people and play better. Your win rate will sky rocket and you will be making the same amount playing 4 tables as 15
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01-25-2010 , 12:01 PM
raise more preflop...17/4 won't cut it.
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01-25-2010 , 12:45 PM
you have some things to work on like the above said. You're winrate is kinda low and it makes me think you might not be profitable at 25NL,but you're close and on the right track as winning anything is better then not obv.
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01-25-2010 , 12:47 PM
thanks for the advice so far and I agree 100%, i just played 24 tables to get my VPPs up lately to unlock the reload bonuses and get me to a gold star so i can get more FPPs.
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01-25-2010 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by blackgerbil1
thanks for the advice so far and I agree 100%, i just played 24 tables to get my VPPs up lately to unlock the reload bonuses and get me to a gold star so i can get more FPPs.
That is kind of a backwards line of thinking, IMO. Is your goal to improve as a poker player and move up faster or stay around the same stakes and grind out FPPs? One of the principles of learning is the law of primacy, or simply, what you learn first has a greater impact on you than learning something afterwards. Basically, it is easier to learn by doing it right the first time around than it is to correct errors afterwards.

Once you move to 25NL, there won't be as many people stacking off with top pair, no kicker, second pair, A5o preflop, etc. You have to squeeze a ton more value from more marginal spots against the regs. Since you are barely beating 10NL, I think if you move up now you will quickly be back to 10NL.

In conclusion, if I were you, I would:

1. Play 2-4 tables at a time to increase your winrate and knowledge of the game.
2. Once you have a good understanding of what you are doing, try adding a few tables at a time and maintaining your winrate with the increased tables.
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01-25-2010 , 05:28 PM
The VPPs of Pokerstars mislead so many people. We all know it feels good to reach VIP levels and get in extra FPPs and all, but its really not worth it to chase those on 10NL. The main goal in poker is to win as much money in the long run as possible. The extra FPPs are not gonna increase this by as much as learning quick and moving up quick. Plus at higher levels the FPPs and VIP levels come in faster. Your job at 10NL is analyze every hand you play to see if its maxEV, and once you got that you can slowly increase the number of tables.
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01-25-2010 , 05:50 PM
if reference to mojo's response without quoting the whole thing... i think everyones goal is to get better and improve/move up but there are still times when people just want to grind hardcore and get a little boost in $/FPP's even if they dont improve as fast as a 2-4 tabler. he said he wanted to get his reload bonus which i think is fine and he obv understands about playing less tables so i think he has a good start
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01-27-2010 , 08:19 AM
I don't know why I am fluctuating so badly and want to get out of this downswing. Let me know if I need to post any more stats.





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01-27-2010 , 09:25 AM
LuluTheMonk: The overall stats look fairly solid, though I think you limp/coldcall a bit too much. That could be because you're playing full-ring (I play 6-max) where I think there are more places where a preflop call is good.
Furthermore you are VERY aggressive postflop, and judging by your recent red line, you may be overdoing the aggression a bit right now, getting called down by better hands.
Also your WTSD seems very low and your W$SD is decent, yet you are currently massively leaking showdown money, also an indication of being too aggressive/bluffy.

I'd advise you to review all your big hands after a session (say every hand where you won or lost more than 30 bb or so. That will give you a clue whether you are doing stupid things like trying to bluff a calling station.
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01-28-2010 , 11:06 PM
i think i've got some leeks


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01-29-2010 , 11:20 AM
weizor: You play incredibly tight (VPIP 11.9 PFR 6.9). Still, you only win 35% of the time when you see a flop, which is pretty incredible since you should have the best hand most of the time. You are reasonably position aware, but you could be playing WAY more hands in late position. Also your W$SD is so high that it looks like you are folding the best hand a lot of the time.
Still, you are winning, so don't change your style completely, that won't work. Just slowly add some hands to your range and try to read hands postflop to recognize situations where you can successfully bluff people off. Not all the time, just start with the obvious situations and grow.
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01-31-2010 , 09:05 PM
Can I move up yet? Originally played 9930 hands of NL5 buying in for minimum 40BB. I also included the stats where I bought in for 50BB at NL2 and 20BB at NL10. I posted in this thread about a month ago and it was suggested I play more hands and try to learn fullstack, so here are also the stats for that.

Can I move up yet please?

First 10k shortstacking:





Second 10k fullstacking:




I'm obviously running a bit hot my second attempt, and I'd like to get my PFR raises higher. I was running quite a bit different the first 5k hands when i was only 3-4 tabling. Now I like to play 6-7 and while I am lost sometimes and play robotically tight, it is more engaging.

NL10 here I come plz?
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02-01-2010 , 03:09 AM
twil08: Looks like you are playing good ABC poker there, though indeed you should call less preflop (fold more, raise more, or both).

Moving up should mostly be a matter of the size of your roll now. I'd give it a 5 buy-in shot when you have $200 -- move back down if you drop below $150.
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02-01-2010 , 08:24 AM
Thx for checking out my stats fabadam. I actually have a $775 roll online, I just dropped down to rebuild my game. Plus I got bored of SNG's. Hoping this translates into live success... then again, I really donno how 6max will fit into FR.
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02-01-2010 , 10:11 PM
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Heres my graph and stats after 50k hands. Im hoping someone can show me some spots for improvement. I would really like to be albe to get my hourly up.
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02-01-2010 , 10:12 PM
what stats? I don't see any
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02-02-2010 , 01:44 AM
Had my worst month ever at 25NL
Any advice or constructive criticism will be greatly appreciated.
Numbers for the month.

Stats:


Stats by Position:


Graph:
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02-02-2010 , 04:01 AM
Hidro35: there isn't much to tell on the basis of so little -- no obvious leaks, there not gonna show on this set unless you're way out of line.
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02-02-2010 , 04:05 AM
Apollo Creed: Ouch! Oddly, your stats look fairly normal, perhaps the aggression is a bit too high but nothing really exceptional. I suggest you analyse your play by looking at the 100 biggest pots or so. This can be just a downswing, but it could also be you're spewing.
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02-02-2010 , 06:38 AM
I'm playing 6-max 2nl atm. I have no idea how to translate these stats (just know the basics). Any tips or suggestions are really appreciated!



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02-02-2010 , 08:30 AM
yosh1: Your overall results are stunning -- 23 bb/100 over a 15k sample is amazing. Perhaps it's because you are buying in for 250 bb at NL2, I don't know.
Over the whole you are playing very tight, in fact nitty. Also your play hardly varies according to your position, and you seem to bet only good made hands and some c-betting in position. This causes you to win very few hands by pushing people off hands -- which may be good if you are playing a bunch of calling stations. Your W$WSF is extremely low for the quality of hands you are playing.
However, with such good results, don't go change your entire strategy. Just add a bunch of steals or iso-raises in position with medium hands, and try to learn to recognize spots where you can take a pot down by betting.
Don't overdo it and become an aggro spew monkey, just open up slightly when the situation is right.

(Oh yeah, and you won't be able to maintain this winrate because there has to be quite some run-good in there.)
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02-02-2010 , 05:18 PM
Recently switched to Full ring so heres a small 10k sample 10nl, It feels like im doing fine, but no sucess and I seem to run like shat lol...

edit: I play between 10-15 tablerzrzrezr
stats n graph:




Last edited by errorleet; 02-02-2010 at 05:31 PM.
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02-02-2010 , 07:35 PM
errorleet: It looks like you are playing fullring. I always thought it was impossible to be too tight in fullring, but apparently you can be. You seem to be taking the term weak-tight to new heights.
You VPIP/PFR is 9/7, which is super-nitty. Yet you only c-bet around 20% of the time. What the hell? If there's anyone who should be c-betting > 70% of the time, it's you.
Man, you play only top hands, so when the flop comes, guess what? 70% of the time you still have the best hand. Bet it. It's totally ridiculous to be betting less than 30% of them time, since it means you don't even bet when you do hit the flop a lot of the time.
This is why your red line goes down as much as your blue line goes up: you are constantly being pushed off the best hand. Oddly enough, the one place where you do c-bet a lot is when you are in the blinds and thus out of position, which is the worst time to c-bet.
Learn about position, learn about ranges.
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02-03-2010 , 02:16 AM
this is from january nl 10. any leaks you guys can see from my numbers? please critique.

Last edited by SomethingFishy; 02-03-2010 at 02:17 AM. Reason: 6max sorry didnt specify
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02-03-2010 , 03:38 AM
SomethingFishy: this looks fairly solid. I can't see your stats-by-position here, but you steal a decent amount so I guess you understand position. Not much bad to see. Your Aggression Factor is VERY high, which may mean you should be calling a bit more. However, generally people have big hands when they bet at NL10, so you could well be right to just fold nearly always when they bet or raise.
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