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01-08-2010 , 10:32 AM
Hovering on the breakevenline. Playing 6max NL. My loses on the BB seems to be on the higher side. I noticed during session i check to see the flop and then hit an toppair /weakkicker type hands and go on with it to showdown to find a TPTK type hands.




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01-08-2010 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeMofo
I am currently staked for 10nl. The agreement was i play another 15k or so hands from this sample and then move to nl25 pretty permanently, the shots i've prior to now have not been profitable but I honestly believe it was a run bad/play bad situation. I'd take a 2 buy-in shot, but play a bit scared/non-optimal knowing i'd have to grind back up from nl10 if i lost.

Anyway... Which stats, if any, are going to/should change when moving up from 10nl to 25nl? I play pretty standard tag. I don't see anything glaringly obvious but it'd be nice to know which aspects of my game might need to change first etc...

10NL:
joemofo: it isn't much help to know whether you have been running good or bad in particular sessions. Also your garph only tells us you're somewhat of a weak tight nit that wins at the stakes he's playing.
For 6-max you are playing REALLY tight but I guess it works vs non-observant opponents.

Advice for now: open up way more in late position, your fold equity is great.

Report back in 20k hands.
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01-08-2010 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dajg
OK please analyse my stats. I don't play like a "normal" unl player as you can see from my redline. People say a +ve redline is a leak but others say it is good, what is the truth? I know I complete to much from the small blind and I am trying to cut this down. I played 2nl until 8.5k hands then went to 10nl ran well then had a cooler from 11k to 16k so I dropped down to 5nl in the middle. Back to 10nl now. If you want to see a youtube vid of my play see this thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...y-play-651032/
dajg, I only looked at a bit of your vid, raise up JJ more in that position (1st hand).

Your graph is very sexy, and probably close to optimal. The rest of your stats is nearly useless, though I'm surprised you can reach these results playing 22/11 or near that. How do you get so many folds by just limping along half the time?
Still, you're doing it essentially right, just identify places to get more value yourself I would say.
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01-08-2010 , 08:15 PM
Kanter, you are kind of unique. I dont think I've ever seen a player who I considered too tight in early position (including blinds).
You really do loosen up well in later position, but you are basically just donating from EP. I'm not sure what's going on there, but it seems you sometimes decide to take a stand in the blinds and then either stack off on marginal hands or are just getting pushed off anything. Your own analysis is the first, which sounds plausible from the look of your stats.

I don't really know what to do there, but my advice would be to play "nitty standard"in the blinds: fold everything except pocket pairs (play small ones for set value only) and reraise 99+ and big broadway hands. Fold everytihing else.
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01-09-2010 , 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DBallerz
Alright. I've been playing for a couple of years, but I've been learning seriously for the past month. I've been running break even until the last 8k hands, and I had a great run over a couple of sessions. I play 5nl 6 max. I've been learning and reading and responding and trying to catch as much information as I can.



I think one of my biggest leaks is that I'm not aggressive enough on the turn and the river. When I got my really good run, I was very aggressive on both. I started to pick up more and more places to bet on the turn and the river from hud stats. If you have any more suggestions, I'm very open to learn from you guys and absorb as much information as I can. Thank you very much!
Thanks for the info.

Just learn the game but not professional yet.
Needed help would you mind to help me with rules and better playing.
May I know any new type in 6nl. I mean new rules added.

Alex.


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01-09-2010 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
dajg, I only looked at a bit of your vid, raise up JJ more in that position (1st hand).
I raised 4bb with 2 limpers before me thought this was OK. I like to always raise the same amount whatever cards I have.

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Your graph is very sexy, and probably close to optimal. The rest of your stats is nearly useless
Would any other stats be useful? I tried to be comprehensive.

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though I'm surprised you can reach these results playing 22/11 or near that. How do you get so many folds by just limping along half the time?
Still, you're doing it essentially right, just identify places to get more value yourself I would say
Do the 1st barrel, get a timing tell, if it looks good, 2nd barrel same amount as first and 3rd barrel a bit bigger - fire it in quick as possible. I think timing tells are one of the keys to crushing the micros. Careful if they do that "long think" usually means the nuts or close. I only 3 or 4 table and tile (you NEED a big monitor) - if I am in a hand I am nittier than normal on my other tables so I can concentrate.
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01-09-2010 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dajg
I raised 4bb with 2 limpers before me thought this was OK. I like to always raise the same amount whatever cards I have.
Basically you have to raise an extra BB for evey limper, otherwise the pot odds are so good that everyone calls, while usually you like to isolate the limpers and narrow the field. The 2+2 standard is 4xBB + 1 per limper, but 3xBB+1 is also OK.


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Would any other stats be useful? I tried to be comprehensive.
There are many more reports in Holdem Manager, but the one that shows your play by position is the most important one -- basically you should play way looser in late position than in early position.

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Do the 1st barrel, get a timing tell, if it looks good, 2nd barrel same amount as first and 3rd barrel a bit bigger - fire it in quick as possible. I think timing tells are one of the keys to crushing the micros. Careful if they do that "long think" usually means the nuts or close. I only 3 or 4 table and tile (you NEED a big monitor) - if I am in a hand I am nittier than normal on my other tables so I can concentrate.
Interesting, good observation. I've noticed the thing about making the 3rd barrel bigger too, though you still have to pay good attention to other reads IMO.
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01-10-2010 , 02:36 PM
neeed some help guys, appreciate it.

i dunno how to post my graph, but i just got a question about the showdown winnings and no showdown winnings and overal winnings. what do the following numbers mean is this bad or good?

hands: 10,196 hands
money won with showdown: $210
money won without showdown: -135
overal winnings: $75

is that a huge leak that my money won without showdown is -135 and how do i fix this whats it mean? thanks alot.
heres my other stats and junk. its all 10nl 6max, 10,196 hands.

VP$:20.61
PFR:15.43
W$WSF:41.16
WTSD:24.38
W$SD:57.33
AF:3.02
3BET:4.05
FOLD to 3BET:69.42
attempt to steal blinds:33.09
fold BB to steal:79.74
fold SB to steal:85.39

thanks for the help, let me know what other stats i can post. i use poker tracker.
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01-10-2010 , 04:22 PM
just under 30k hands help please down 40 buy ins

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01-11-2010 , 03:28 AM
cashgamepoker: You are winning money when it goes to showdown, but are losing when it's folded out before the showdown. This can have several causes (simultaneously), but most likely you are being a bit weak-tight.
You may be check/folding the best hand too often.
You may be failing to use opportunities to bluff your opponent off the hand.
You may not be value betting the river hard enough.

You'll have to analyse your hands to find out which apply to you. I would guess the second and third but there is no way to tell from the stats.
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01-11-2010 , 03:31 AM
deadstack: your overall stats don't look 40 buy-in down bad, but I would say it looks like you are TOO aggressive. Your aggression freq is really high and still you are seeing tons of showdowns. So it looks like opponents are reading your bluffs and calling you down.
I would suggest bluffing less, or rather not at all except for c-betting.
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01-11-2010 , 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
cashgamepoker: You are winning money when it goes to showdown, but are losing when it's folded out before the showdown. This can have several causes (simultaneously), but most likely you are being a bit weak-tight.
You may be check/folding the best hand too often.
You may be failing to use opportunities to bluff your opponent off the hand.
You may not be value betting the river hard enough.

You'll have to analyse your hands to find out which apply to you. I would guess the second and third but there is no way to tell from the stats.
okay thanks alot. I think a big cause of this might be the fact its 10nl, and theres alot of fish at the table and you can't really bluff them off hands. i prob am playing a bit too tight though. do most people have money won before showdown in the positive do you need to have that not be negative to be a winning player longterm at 10nl
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01-11-2010 , 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
cashgamepoker: You are winning money when it goes to showdown, but are losing when it's folded out before the showdown. This can have several causes (simultaneously), but most likely you are being a bit weak-tight.
You may be check/folding the best hand too often.
You may be failing to use opportunities to bluff your opponent off the hand.
You may not be value betting the river hard enough.

You'll have to analyse your hands to find out which apply to you. I would guess the second and third but there is no way to tell from the stats.
heres my position stats, do you see any leaks in here? thanks.

BB: 2232 hands, 12.86/6.54, amt won -$74.75
SB: 2199 hands, 24.47/15.87, amt won -$74.81
BTN: 2196 hands, 32/25.5, amt won +$119.21
CO: 1750 hands, 21.14/18.74, amt won +$58.51
MP: 1079 hands, 11.86/10.84, amt won +$26.39
UTG: 670 hands, 10/10, amt won +$3.63

thanks for the help.
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01-11-2010 , 09:08 AM
cashgame: seems like pretty decent positional stats, you are very position aware which is good.
And it is fairly normal to have a negative redline, especially at these low limits, for winning players. Don't worry too much about it.
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01-11-2010 , 09:15 PM
Started afresh this new year in cash games and i feel like i am playing better i just wanna see if i can get a quick clean up on some leaks i may be missing.

Games


Sessions


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01-12-2010 , 03:13 AM
DAnGamble: Not bad, but you are definitely not position aware enough. Your VPIP/PFR is nearly the same in all position, while on the button you should probably play twice the amount of hands you are playing UTG.
You can open up WAY more on the button and somewhat more in the cutoff. When it's folded to you in the cutoff, raise the top 25-30% of hands, and the top 50% or so on the button. Also, when it's one limper in front of you, raise nearly as often to isolate the fish (yes, he's a fish).
Play as tight as you do, or even tighter UTG and UTG+1.
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01-12-2010 , 06:12 AM
A couple days ago I bought HEM and I realized that my game sux even though my win rate at 5NL 6max is 10bb/100. I think I should play a little bit looser pf, call 3bets less, cbet less and my non-showdown winnings are better than my showdown winnings which should probably be the opposite at the micros. So if someone can point out any other leaks in my game I would be thankful.










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01-12-2010 , 06:50 AM
matt_88: Actually those numbers look pretty good. From the graph it looks like you may have been getting too aggressive near the end -- your aggr frequencies are huge, especially your c-bet percentages are definitely too high.
Yes, you are very tight preflop and you can probably play a few more hands especially in late position, but only if you simultaneously learn to tone down the aggression post a bit.
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01-12-2010 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
DAnGamble: Not bad, but you are definitely not position aware enough. Your VPIP/PFR is nearly the same in all position, while on the button you should probably play twice the amount of hands you are playing UTG.
You can open up WAY more on the button and somewhat more in the cutoff. When it's folded to you in the cutoff, raise the top 25-30% of hands, and the top 50% or so on the button. Also, when it's one limper in front of you, raise nearly as often to isolate the fish (yes, he's a fish).
Play as tight as you do, or even tighter UTG and UTG+1.
Yea I identified this as one of my major leaks. I can't believe I am actually showing a profit in early position playing this many hands. I feel before I was being way to loose on the button and cut off now and seeing te same VPIP/PFR through all my positions is disheartening.

Also before I was 'aggressive spew monkey' as you put it and always trying to push people off hands. How is my aggression looking now? Also my stat columns look quite thin. What else shall I get on there to identify my leaks? (like cbet%, turn aggr%, etc..)
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01-12-2010 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DanGamble89
Yea I identified this as one of my major leaks. I can't believe I am actually showing a profit in early position playing this many hands. I feel before I was being way to loose on the button and cut off now and seeing te same VPIP/PFR through all my positions is disheartening.

Also before I was 'aggressive spew monkey' as you put it and always trying to push people off hands. How is my aggression looking now? Also my stat columns look quite thin. What else shall I get on there to identify my leaks? (like cbet%, turn aggr%, etc..)
Your AF is about 3, which seems to be about the right number for TAG players, also your AggFreq% are not crazy, under 50%.

As for all the stats: I don't know. HEM has endless possibilities. I usually stick to the basics, unless I want to investigate specific things. Read and work through the HEM Articles on leaks (menu item Articles in program). That takes you through the mechanics of how and what to analyze your stats in much more detail than we do here. This will make you more aware of smaller leaks and your own tendencies.
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01-13-2010 , 10:52 AM
Ehy mate,

do you know what should be the basic winning parameters of a winning 6-max players? BB/100, VPIP, WSD, ecc..

Thx
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01-14-2010 , 05:00 PM
I've been playing NL100 for nearly 16000 hands and I'd like some advice on what direction I need to head in. I play full 9-man tables. I feel like my statistics are generally tight, but any feedback is welcome.

I'm in the process of reading through this thread, but at 50+ pages it might take a while.







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01-15-2010 , 02:58 AM
cee7f: I don't really play full ring, so don't know so much about it. Your results are very good, and yes, you play immensely tight. I am under the impression this is very common for full ring players though. Only really strange thing I note is that you don't seem very position aware: you are very tight on the button. That may be a result of your table conditions however, it's hard to judge from just stats. I would however think you coldcall/iso-raise/3-bet much more on the button and maybe cutoff. I would especially expect 3-betting to get results, but as said, I don't play full ring.
It's amazing that you play very loose in the SB, and have spectacular results with it. That almost has to be positive variance, or maybe youi can bluff very profitably there because of your image.
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01-15-2010 , 01:36 PM
Thank you fabadam. I rewatched a great video I hadn't seen in a while when I was playing last night and it stressed a lot of what you said. Looking and thinking back, I have not been very positionally aware. Frankly I included the position stats in my post without even looking at them. One change I'm planning on instituting is opening up more in late position and iso/3betting.

Also I think you hit the nail on the head in that my success out of the small blind is probably due to variance. Playing 25/14 there probably isn't the best strategy, but I'll keep an eye on that as to why I'm so much looser. I'm sure a lot of the 25 VPIP comes from completing the blind when not raised.
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01-16-2010 , 10:19 AM
[IMG][/IMG]Hi
I ve been focusing on 2nl lately to rebuild a roll after busting at 10nl.
Here s my 2nl graph and "bb/100 according to position".
I dont understand why I ve been making the most gains in EP and the least on the button.Your opinions please?Anything I should change? my VPIP is higher on the button than in EP..which is good though?
Also,what s your view on the break even stretch at the end of the graph?
thank you
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