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Old 12-01-2009, 12:22 AM   #851
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Re: 2NL 6max - First 17K hands. Please help.

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this precisely.

no1 at 2nl knows what the word float means... key to micro stakes is to value bet and thats pretty much it... playing a 16/12 game should be fine.. looking at your graphs you definitely give up too many pots... be more aggro an learn to barrel.. but dnt barrel mega stations... identify the weak tight players in ur game and pound on them, and recognize the stations so u know when to give up.

also ur last 7k hands when u were only at 3.5BB/100 as opposed to 8.5BB/100 isnt really a true reflection of ur true winrate.. 7k hands isnt enough to play out the variance so u could just be in a rough patch
so basically, you are saying i cant learn anything much at this level besides fat value betting and thin value betting?
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Old 12-01-2009, 03:02 AM   #852
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

Cashman, you are doing something wrong almost sure but it's in your postflop play mostly I think.
Stop open limping and raise/fold more, call less.
Postflop you are almost certainly 2-barreling and 3-barreling too much against calling stations that won't fold a pair.
Other than that your leaks aren't showing from your stats, but I suspect you are taking the LAG startegy too far for this level.
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Old 12-01-2009, 06:50 AM   #853
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Re: 2NL 6max - First 17K hands. Please help.

2nl is very weird in the sense that, yea, you're going to just get called down really light. i think you can play a variety of strategies in terms of pre flop game and they will all show a profit. however, on 2p2 you're going to get a lot of people telling u to do it "the 2p2 way", where you either raise/ fold preflop, and then cbet 90% of flops or so. this will show a profit, but fwiw, i wouldnt say its optimal/ best.

from looking at your stats, i think your preflop game isnt going to be costing you any money at all. you should maybe start cbetting less though, and when u do just bet big - you can basically bet pot for 3 streets, people will call with the same frequency and it will up your winrate a ton. but cbet less, definitially - just cbet if u hit, check if u miss. maybe cbet some super dry boards... you know K72r, things like that.

dont try and force yourself to play a set strategy though, whatever u do.
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Old 12-01-2009, 03:03 PM   #854
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

First Timer Here - I received a tip from a player at my local game to download a "stattracker" - I figured great advice, what my question is i just finished with the trial of poker edge, however all i read about on here is other "stattrackers" which one do you recommend and why?

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Old 12-01-2009, 07:59 PM   #855
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

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First Timer Here - I received a tip from a player at my local game to download a "stattracker" - I figured great advice, what my question is i just finished with the trial of poker edge, however all i read about on here is other "stattrackers" which one do you recommend and why?

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PokerEdge is against the Terms of Service on the major networks IIRC.
The two most used programs for tracking statistics are HoldemManager and PokerTracker. You can find lots of example screens in this very thread, or on their websites.
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Old 12-01-2009, 08:48 PM   #856
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

Awesome, great advise -

Are there different packages and if so which is best? iyo?

thanks,
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Old 12-02-2009, 12:18 AM   #857
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

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Cashman, you are doing something wrong almost sure but it's in your postflop play mostly I think.
Stop open limping and raise/fold more, call less.
Postflop you are almost certainly 2-barreling and 3-barreling too much against calling stations that won't fold a pair.
Other than that your leaks aren't showing from your stats, but I suspect you are taking the LAG startegy too far for this level.
Thanks for your reply, I agree my postflop game is my weakness! Im confused where Im open limping ? Pre or Post flop ? Stats are good ? Do you suggest playing a little tighter ? or ?

Will study up on how to play post flop! Keep the advice coming cheers
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:07 AM   #858
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

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Awesome, great advise -

Are there different packages and if so which is best? iyo?

thanks,
Look in the Software forum here, this question is asked all the time. I personally prefer HoldemManager but for a beginner there really isn't a lot of difference -- both HoldemManager and PokerTracker have a huge number of functions most of which you won't understand at first anyway.
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:11 AM   #859
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

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Thanks for your reply, I agree my postflop game is my weakness! Im confused where Im open limping ? Pre or Post flop ? Stats are good ? Do you suggest playing a little tighter ? or ?

Will study up on how to play post flop! Keep the advice coming cheers
It looked from your stats where your MP2 VPIP is higher than your PFR that you are open limping a lot there. Difficult to tell because I don't know whether you play full ring or 6-max. IT looked like you played almost exclusively 6-max because your VPIP was 0% from earlier positions.

Other than that, your preflop stats really are OK for where you are now. You need to learn to play poker after the flop now. You can't do that by looking at stats. You have to look at hands. Thats what the Micro NL forum is for. Read, post, learn.
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Old 12-02-2009, 08:33 PM   #860
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

This is my first attempt at uploading. I've attached my PT stats for my first 12k hands since becoming part of these forums. Basically my strategy has been derived from what I've learned at 2+2 so far.

I started with a BR of $50, and have turned that into $150 attempting to play a basic TAG / positional aware strategy. I have recently decided to move up to uNL 2/5, with half stack buy ins, giving me 30 Buy ins for the level at 100BB's.

To assist with my learning, I was hoping for feedback of my stats to date, and to hear about the strengths and flaws of my game so I might learn more about my overall level of play.

Thanks in advance!







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Old 12-02-2009, 09:14 PM   #861
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How to I post pictures

I'm trying to upload my poker tracker stats and I have no idea how to. It says to enter an url for the picture?????
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Old 12-06-2009, 01:46 PM   #862
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

fishaholic: looks nice. Not much to remark really, though you have a very bad score from the SB (and UTG). I'd say be even tighter in SB, but overall the stats are pretty much OK. Or maybe you just run bad in just those two positions.

I though you weren't folding to raises often enough, but to be honest I have no idea what those number typically are -- it's just that in my experience at the low levels people alomost always have the (near) nuts when they raise turn or river, so you fold a lot, but maybe I underestimate how often you have a monster yourself there.
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Old 12-06-2009, 07:45 PM   #863
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

Can anyone comment on my fullring stats?

its turning out for the worst.

this is just 2nl, should be winning ^^






(heres a link to a certain post i made almost 3 months ago in this thread, I have completely changed how i play but I make less money, https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=667)

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Old 12-07-2009, 05:54 AM   #864
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

im posting my first 10k hands using HEM, i play six max nl10 on ftp and im a slight winner. tbh i thought i'd be winning more and i'd like some of the pros to give me advice.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6394/stat1z.jpg

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Old 12-07-2009, 08:02 AM   #865
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

rsala: it's hard to play too tight in full-ring, but it seems you are. Seriously, VPIP < 10% on the button? Just 22+, AT+ is more than that. And even then, you are still mostly folding past the flop. Or may be everyone usually just folds preflop when you enter a pot? I know I would.
Your original strategy was already pretty tight, but you are now an archetypical rock.
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Old 12-07-2009, 08:45 AM   #866
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

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rsala: it's hard to play too tight in full-ring, but it seems you are. Seriously, VPIP < 10% on the button? Just 22+, AT+ is more than that. And even then, you are still mostly folding past the flop. Or may be everyone usually just folds preflop when you enter a pot? I know I would.
Your original strategy was already pretty tight, but you are now an archetypical rock.
you prefer my original stats from 3 months ago? UTG vpip10, button 20?

I am trying to loosen up more now, so far very good...i will post back after another 12k hands or so..any other tips?
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Old 12-07-2009, 09:05 AM   #867
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

rsala: hard to say, I definitely like that better. But you shouldn't be aiming for specific numbers, you should play (or fold) certain hands in certain positions for a reason.

Let's talk about the button. You can play a lot there because:
(1) You are going to have position all thru the hand.
(2) Preflop there are only 2 players left behind you, so the odds of running into a monster are much smaller.

When it's folded to me on the button, and there are 2 players like you in the SB and BB I will literally raise any 2 cards -- these two nits will just fold anyway.
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Old 12-07-2009, 09:29 AM   #868
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

funkme: Hard to tell on the basis of this where you are leaking. Preflop looks OK, postflop yor W$WSF is fairly low, while your WTSD/W$SD are fairly high. That looks to me like you are not value betting hard enough -- you should win more pots, but less at showdown.
However, the sample size is small for these stats.
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Old 12-07-2009, 07:36 PM   #869
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

Played a couple thousand hands at the stakes/game I'm comfortable playing.. Also, fairly new to online poker.


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Old 12-08-2009, 12:48 PM   #870
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

Hi all...can anyone offer some help to me? I've played about 45,000 hands at 2c/5c NL and I'm currently not able to get any profit (without rakeback). I don't really want to be a rakeback grinder, so I'm looking to improve. There's obviously a huge leak somewhere...

My huge problem is my redline, i.e. $ won without showdown. It is like a straight downhill slope, exactly opposite + a little more than my $ won with showdown stat. I'll post a graph.

Here's the graph & stats: let me know if you need more:






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Old 12-08-2009, 05:18 PM   #871
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

Hi, everyone !

I started playing poker online in October. I have had ups and downs since the beginning. I'm sure I have a lot of things to improve. I started playing at .01/.02, then in November I moved to .02/0.5 tables. Finally, since December, I am playing at .05/.10 tables and I am planning to keep playing at this stake level for a while.

My most meaningful stats are the ones at the .05/.1 tables because this is really the way I am playing right now.

Here are the stats I recorded with PT3. I only have about 5000 hands tracked but I hope you guys can still give me some advices !




Here is my graph:

As you can see, it's just ups and downs above and below the bar of 0...

The 3497th hand on this graph is about when I started playing in December (which is when I started to play a little bit more tight...but I think a little bit too aggressive also ?)

Thank you !
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Old 12-08-2009, 05:21 PM   #872
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thanks very helpful thread
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Old 12-08-2009, 05:53 PM   #873
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

I've been playing micros for awhile, but I've never got around to posting my stats. So even though I am playing higher than most beginners now, I was wondering if anyone could make some comments on my stats? What could I be doing better etc? I have been called a nit but I feel as though I am agressive post flop.



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Old 12-08-2009, 07:39 PM   #874
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

VanMan2008: It seems you are a weak-tight nit, suffering from FGators syndrome. (FGators was/is a midstakes player who had exactly the same graph as you over 1.5 million hands, resulting in a legendary 2+2 thread. See FGators syndrome explained for some high level theory.)

Your preflop is sort of OK, except that I think you are too loose in the BB.
However, look at your postflop stats: you basically fold whenever someone bets or raises. So on any given postflop street, you basically have two moves: bet, or check/fold. That's gonna be picked up even by fish often.

I suspect (cant really see that in stats) that you raise preflop, c-bet the flop and then give up unless you hit something. Now that is a fairly common scenario, but at NL5 you have to learn to recognize the folks who will call your c-bet with a worse hand. Yes, you can often bet AQo for value on a 762r flop against them, because they'll call the c-bet with QJ.

You are going to have to learn to play poker postflop, there's no other way.
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Old 12-08-2009, 07:46 PM   #875
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

elitethut: your preflop game is out of whack -- you are limping too much and not raising enough. This is very common (I think I've said this about 30 times in this thread now) and I think it derives from a common misunderstanding about preflop: you probably limp because you want to see a cheap flop. This can be good with marginal speculative hands, especially if you have position.
However, in general you want to put money in preflop if you think you have the best hand. And in that case, raise rather than limp. It's not because you don't want to see a flop cheap, it's because you don't want THE OTHER PLAYERS to see a flop cehap. You are charging them to see a flop.

Furthermore, your stats postflop look ridiculously aggressive, you are betting all the time. You still win a ton at showdown, which I think means you have ran hot over your last 2k hands.

Finally, it looks like your average session is about 25 hands long. WTF is up with that?
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