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11-16-2009 , 06:34 PM
errorleet, looks like you're playing rather weak-tight but are pretty good at calling down winning hands, which is just about the hardest way to play winning poker.

Preflop: 21/13 is not bad, but you're still limping/calling too much (I think I've said that 100 times in this thread now).

Postflop is really amazing though. Your aggression% is below 20% on all streets. You go to showdown more than any winning player I've ever seen. You win more hands at showdown than anyone I've ever seen. Your W$WSF is very low.

Do you ever bet when you have the best hand? Also you must be laying down tons of winners, and miss opportunities to bluff a guy out.
I'm frankly amazed you can win with this tight-passive approach.
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11-17-2009 , 03:52 AM
I'll post my stats here as well, seeing as im a beginner.



Should i start playing hands like KJ, KT, A9/A8 etc. in late position? Im playing 2NL.
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11-17-2009 , 04:08 AM
ocnap: Wow. What is your range for playing a hand? It looks like 22+,AQ+ and nothing else.

Yes, you should definitely open up lots more in cutoff and button.
Think of it this way: When it's folded to you on the button, there are only two players left after you. You'll be having position postflop on both. If you have a hand like KJo (in the top 13%) or J9o (top 30%) or 54s, or any two cards, the odds that they'll fold if you raise. If they don't fold, you'll have position and the initiative postflop, and they'll often fold to a c-bet.

With your supertight style, full-ring maybe better suited for you.
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11-17-2009 , 04:11 AM
I am playing fullring :P
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11-17-2009 , 05:59 AM
My BB/100 has really gone down the drain here, I was just wondering what you guys can take from these stats and if you can find anything worth mentioning here. It's all 10NL.

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11-17-2009 , 06:03 AM
Under "player actions" > flop > bet, it is 33.6%, this means c-bet right? I have been hardly cbetting lately, is this a huge leak and what should my cbet % be at 10NL in your opinion? At least 80%?
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11-17-2009 , 07:02 AM
I think cbet about 70 is good, but there's so much numbers don't tell you. Eg if your table is full of stations I'll only be cbetting for value because I'm not cbetting into multiple callers.

I assume you know basic board texture and what boards to check behind, but don't check behind too many semi-wet flops vs stations. Although you get called more on wet flops because more hands can call you, it doesn't hit their range dead on. Eg, JT8ss is a wet not only because there's a lot of possible draws, but if a TAG calls you, his range is polarized to the hands that hit it - 99, 9T, JT, etc, whereas a station can have hands like A5, 42, etc.
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11-17-2009 , 07:06 AM
What is your overall cbet %? Mine is 33$ which is extremely low for me and I think I need to bring it up to 70-80% to help pay off the times I have a hand.
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11-17-2009 , 07:07 AM
cbet looks low, fold to cbet looks high

went to showdown looks a little low

value bet more rivers
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11-17-2009 , 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
errorleet, looks like you're playing rather weak-tight but are pretty good at calling down winning hands, which is just about the hardest way to play winning poker.

Preflop: 21/13 is not bad, but you're still limping/calling too much (I think I've said that 100 times in this thread now).

Postflop is really amazing though. Your aggression% is below 20% on all streets. You go to showdown more than any winning player I've ever seen. You win more hands at showdown than anyone I've ever seen. Your W$WSF is very low.

Do you ever bet when you have the best hand? Also you must be laying down tons of winners, and miss opportunities to bluff a guy out.
I'm frankly amazed you can win with this tight-passive approach.
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What does that exactly mean , im bad or does My style work? Since i Spewed to much before i tried out à new approach and ive started to get rid of some marginal spots.. And not bet Coz i have some sd value and Will be uncomfortavle playin bigger pot,, And yes i bet My good hands... I do semi bluff and bluff some ax boards.. but i think My style is ok in micros and i should ofc be more aggressive when i move up,...... So i should b more aggressive and not limp and call to much pre ,... And could i move up to 20nl ?? I have like 20 bi somethinh and im perfectly fine with moving down if things go bad ,.
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11-17-2009 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by NoMeansNo
Under "player actions" > flop > bet, it is 33.6%, this means c-bet right? I have been hardly cbetting lately, is this a huge leak and what should my cbet % be at 10NL in your opinion? At least 80%?
33.6% is not c-bet. It's [c-bet] + [donk-bet] + [bet first in unraised pot]

Your c-bet% is 37% (17.1 / 46.48). see first action after pfr in your stats.

Last edited by DreadX; 11-17-2009 at 11:44 AM. Reason: corrected typo in (17.1 / 46.48)
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11-17-2009 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by errorleet
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What does that exactly mean , im bad or does My style work? Since i Spewed to much before i tried out à new approach and ive started to get rid of some marginal spots.. And not bet Coz i have some sd value and Will be uncomfortavle playin bigger pot,, And yes i bet My good hands... I do semi bluff and bluff some ax boards.. but i think My style is ok in micros and i should ofc be more aggressive when i move up,...... So i should b more aggressive and not limp and call to much pre ,... And could i move up to 20nl ?? I have like 20 bi somethinh and im perfectly fine with moving down if things go bad ,.
Moving up is really for yourself to decide, no one else can judge how you'll be able to handle swings at that level.
Also, one can only read so much from stats. It's just that the things that really stand out from your stats are
(1) Your aggression frequency is quite low on all streets.
(2) Your W$SD is incredibly high, even though you go to showdown a lot.
(3) You are a massive loser in pots that don't go to showdown

These three facts together lead to the idea that you are a tight-passive mousy player. This means you have big leaks, which you are getting away with at this level because people overplay marginal hands a lot, and you can happily call down your good hands and scoop.

Now, I don't know what your exact leaks are, you can't read that in stats.
But I'll bet it's several of these:
(1) Not value betting good hands hard enough (if you did, people would fold more and you'd win less at showdown but also lose less at non-showdown)
(2) Folding winners too often.
(3) Just not being aggressive enough. In the end, aggression wins at poker, as long as you manage to keep it in check.
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11-17-2009 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ocnap
I'll post my stats here as well, seeing as im a beginner.



Should i start playing hands like KJ, KT, A9/A8 etc. in late position? Im playing 2NL.
Can someone help me by looking at those stats?
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11-18-2009 , 12:04 AM
You're playing far too tight, I'll take a guess that youre just starting poker being in 2nl and all.

Try to slowly start adding more hand into your range, if you feel uncomfortable about it just and a few hands on the button etc, especially when no one has entered the pot (things like suited aces KJ, QJ as you said, also any pair). As you become more confident you can start to add more hands and open from early position more.

Your w$sd% is also a little low for someone so tight, which seems to suggest you have trouble laying down big preflop hands that get beaten by the river. (although it could just be luck since its only 3000 hands)
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11-20-2009 , 10:53 AM
Hello, here are my first 10k hands ever (2nl, 6max).
I posted this photos on other forum and some1 there told me that if i want to stick to 2nl i shouldn't change anything (but who wants to stick to 2nl?) but if I wanna go higher i have to change a lot of things. And that was all, so I didn't understand too much.

So, pls if u can analyze a bit my stats and tell me what I am doing wrong or what I am doing ok. It will be appreciated ....


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11-23-2009 , 06:21 AM
What's standard W$WSF?
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11-23-2009 , 08:33 AM
Keysozero: you are mainly playing WAY too passive. You should be betting and raising (and possibly folding) much more and calling much less.

The basic principle in poker is that you want more money going into the pot when you have the best hand. The most logical, and best, way to achieve this is by betting (or raising) when you have the best hand.
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11-23-2009 , 08:35 AM
Absurd: there is no standard. Tight aggressive postflop players get between 40% and 45%. Loose Aggressive players get it between 45 and 50%. If it's less that 40%, you are playing like a weak-tight nit. If it's over 50%, you are probably playing a bit like a maniac, though I have had sessions where I could get away with it.
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11-23-2009 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
Keysozero: you are mainly playing WAY too passive. You should be betting and raising (and possibly folding) much more and calling much less.

The basic principle in poker is that you want more money going into the pot when you have the best hand. The most logical, and best, way to achieve this is by betting (or raising) when you have the best hand.
Ty for the advice, I am working on that
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11-23-2009 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
Absurd: there is no standard. Tight aggressive postflop players get between 40% and 45%. Loose Aggressive players get it between 45 and 50%. If it's less that 40%, you are playing like a weak-tight nit. If it's over 50%, you are probably playing a bit like a maniac, though I have had sessions where I could get away with it.
Awesome, thanks!
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11-23-2009 , 06:38 PM
So I have been trying to move up from 5Nl to 10NL after starting to get serious about my game in October. So far I am about a 4PTBB winner at5nl over 30k which isn't a great winrate but its okay. I am however a huge loser when attempting to move up to 10NL. The first time i tried i had a good upswing fora while then went on a 10BI downswing and ever since i have been doing worse at 5nl and have just hemorrhaged money when taking shots at 10nl. My numbers are very similar between the two levels statistically speaking. The only major difference i can see between the two is that 5NL is deeper. Maybe I got used to playing super deep and have trouble with smaller structures? if you guys see anything please let me know.





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11-23-2009 , 07:04 PM
drewberto: it's a bit tough to interpret this unknown tool's stats, but basically it looks like you are a weak-tight nit.
Your preflop stats are super-tight, even for full-ring, yet you fail to win pots unless you get them to showdown. With the strong preflop range you are playing, I'm sure you are getting pushed off lots of pots postflop. Even though you are quite aggressive post. I think you are seeing too many monsters from people who call one of your bets -- I'm not sure though, but it's ridiculous that your non-showdown is basically a straight downward line. You should be pushing people off all the time.
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11-23-2009 , 07:30 PM
Sorry that tool is called poker copilot and it's like the only one you can get on a Mac :/. I'll be using PT3 after xmas. anyways...yeah i'm pretty nitty, my opening range from EP and MP is like AQo+ and any pocket pair, from the button and the cutoff is where i open it up to like suited Ax and some suited connectors and such. I'd like to get to like 13/10 or i'd even be happy with something alittle more like 10/7...what hands should i be looking to add to my range? also do you think i'm undervaluing TPTK type hands, maybe just some bad variance? The sample isn't huge. I'm not one to laydown overpairs most of the time especially AA. I'd like to move from my weak tight style to a tagish game,..i can post or pm some HH's if you wanna help me a little more. ...just trying to learn the ropes so any and all advice is great thanks guys.
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11-24-2009 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by drewberto
what hands should i be looking to add to my range? also do you think i'm undervaluing TPTK type hands, maybe just some bad variance? The sample isn't huge. I'm not one to laydown overpairs most of the time especially AA. I'd like to move from my weak tight style to a tagish game,..i can post or pm some HH's if you wanna help me a little more. ...just trying to learn the ropes so any and all advice is great thanks guys.
It's OK to be tight in early positions, but you can open up up a lot in late position. Play all broadways (anything with two picture cards), suited connectors down to 54s, suited gappers down to 64s, and steal a lot of blinds if the blinds are tight.

The Small Stakes NL forum has a bunch of really good stickies.

And yes, the way to learn is to post HHs, and look at others: start reading and posting the microNL forum. Also post your opinion on other people's hands -- you'll learn from that too.
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11-25-2009 , 07:55 AM
Hi ,

I just bought Pokeroffice for 2 months now ... i really want to analyze my game ... i do understand the stats en what they mean but i dont know how they must compare to each other .

I mostly play 9 max sit & go's .
What are the stats that are important to me and how must they react in case of higher blinds ... so i can find my leaks .

Thx in advance ,
Mike
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