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Old 10-28-2009, 03:09 AM   #726
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

dan233: You have listed you PFR/VPIP ratio. It should be something like 80%, not 52: call less preflop, either raise or fold most of the time.
Also your postflop aggression is basically too low. Looks like you are also calling too much instead of folding/raising.
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Old 10-28-2009, 03:14 AM   #727
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dan233: You have listed you PFR/VPIP ratio. It should be something like 80%, not 52: call less preflop, either raise or fold most of the time.
Also your postflop aggression is basically too low. Looks like you are also calling too much instead of folding/raising.
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thanks for the reply
I realize this after reading the stickies etc..
But this is 2NL with a lot of loose nonagressive players preflop. Isnt it sometime correct for a decent player (which I dont claim to be) to see as many flops as possible with these players if it can be done "cheaply"? for the price of one big blind(2c)?and still raise preflop with good starting hands?

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Old 10-28-2009, 12:47 PM   #728
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hello
thanks for the reply
I realize this after reading the stickies etc..
But this is 2NL with a lot of loose nonagressive players preflop. Isnt it sometime correct for a decent player (which I dont claim to be) to see as many flops as possible with these players if it can be done "cheaply"? for the price of one big blind(2c)?and still raise preflop with good starting hands?
Well, it's OK to limp hands like small pocket pairs or low suited connectors if there's a 4-way limpfest in front of you. Since raising them is a bit risky and not +EV probably. So I guess you get to do a bit more of that at NL2.
But still, I wouldn't limp very speculative hands like 96o -- chances of flopping something good enough are just too small, so you're basically leaking chips 1BB at a time then.

Also, stop thinking about limping as a way to see a flop cheap. Think of raising as not allowing THEM to see a flop cheap.
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:13 AM   #729
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

I know this is a very small sample size, but I'd appreciate it if anyone could point out anything glaringly bad.

I had it handed to me something chronic in FL and decided a few days ago to try out NL for a time. I've no intentions of switching back any time soon.

These are just my NL stats (obviously).



I find these position stats very interesting... I seem to be doing well in positions that you would not expect. I wonder why.





I seem to have been, for the most part, running below EV. Is this normal?



Thanks in advance!
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Old 10-29-2009, 09:28 AM   #730
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circusmidget: Wow. Serious, VPIP/PFR of 9.7/3.6 or so? If I'd play against you, I'd basically auto-fold when you enter the pot. Still, it seems to be working at NL2.

That is really unbelievably tight. It's not a style that will work at higher levels.

BTW, your EV graph says you are running almost exactly at EV. It just goes up and down all the time, really.
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Old 10-29-2009, 09:48 AM   #731
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circusmidget: Wow. Serious, VPIP/PFR of 9.7/3.6 or so? If I'd play against you, I'd basically auto-fold when you enter the pot. Still, it seems to be working at NL2.

That is really unbelievably tight. It's not a style that will work at higher levels.

BTW, your EV graph says you are running almost exactly at EV. It just goes up and down all the time, really.
Thanks fabadam, I appreciate your input :-)

I'm trying to follow the basic rules (for 2NL at least) when it comes to hand selection (with one exception), so perhaps either I'm getting less good hands in the "right positions" than I statistically should, or perhaps I've misinterpreted what I've read. To be honest, I think I've been playing it a bit looser than suggested, coming in with some hands that are best left for later positions.

I fold things like AJo in the SB if there's been a raise from a early-position nit or unknown. I'll more than likely flat it if there's just loose idiots in, however.

My exception to the general rules is with (any) pocket pairs. I'll limp with these in any position (excl JJ/QQ/KK/AA and possibly TT). I may even flat a standard raise depending on the who made it and who's involved in the pot. They pay me out big time when I hit, and it seems to be working well.

As you say, I doubt this will work in higher limit games, it's far too predictable. I'm wondering just when it'll stop working though? 5NL? Or is 2NL it?

Fair enough about the EV graph. I must be reading it incorrectly. It just looks to me though the money-won is sitting slightly below the expected for most of the graph.

Thanks again!
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:39 PM   #732
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

hej guys I am new to this forum, want to ask something from you guys.

I start to play on FTP NL10 and bought pt3 and stuff like that and want to know that what stats is it profitable to write out on the screen with pt? I came to a conclusion like this:

-VP$IP
-PFR
- Total AFq
-Hands
-Call PFR
-Cbet Flop
-Att to steal( Ez CO,Button és SB-bol vannak?)
- Fold SB to steal
- Fold BB to steal
-W$WSF
-WTSD
-Fold to R 3bet

Is it neccesary to have that much stats on the screen on nl10?Cuz I wanna play 4-6 tables.

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Old 10-29-2009, 04:31 PM   #733
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

I'd drop WTSD and W$WSF from these right away since they converge very slowly -- which means that whatever you see over a few 100 hands is meaningless.

At Nl10 you certainly don't need that much. VPIP/PFR, total AF are the most important.
Steal-related percentages are useful because they come up so often, as are c-bet related percentages.
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Old 10-30-2009, 12:01 AM   #734
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My current progress after jumping up stakes:

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Old 10-30-2009, 06:49 AM   #735
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Hello,
recently i've moved from NL2 to NL5. And i feel like i'm stuck there. I'm not getting any profit neither loosing. It's like i'm winning few $ one day and loosing same few $ next day. Such situation is already for a few weeks. I'd really appreciate any comments and suggestion you can tell me from my stats.



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Old 10-30-2009, 11:08 PM   #736
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I need some serious help







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Old 11-01-2009, 05:36 AM   #737
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Reydy: ouch that must be frustrating.
Unfortunately there's not a lot to say based on the stats. Your 5NL stats are just 1000 hands, which could well mean you just hit a bad downswing at a bad time (just at moving up).
Your final picture is a bit useless -- we can see some bad beats and some places where you may have overplayed an overpair.
I also see you fold to bets and raises a huge amount of the time, but that is probably good at the level you're playing, because you're usually beaten when raised.

What you shoul probably do is just pay on -- after all it's just 4 buy-ins in 1k hands you lost. I've had such losses within the first 10 minutes after sitting down for a session -- as have most experienced players. SOmetimes it just happens.

Also, analyse these 1k hands (ALL OF THEM) and look for places where you went wrong. Then psot the 3 or so most difficult decisions in the micro-stakes, or here.

For example, the JJ, KK, and KJ hands above look suspicious.
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:17 AM   #738
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

I started playing poker fairly recently online using a $10 bankroll on Cake Poker Network. I started playing the lowest stake Cash tables (NL4) which was out of my roll but I could reload if necessary (this wasnt the case). Been going well, bit of a bad day today though but began clawing my way back up!

Here's a giraffe and some positional stats, any advice on whether i should move up soon and give NL10 a shot, and how I could go about it is welcome.

I'm also getting 33% rakeback which is quite nice, however i imagine I'll notice that more at NL10.



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Old 11-05-2009, 08:27 PM   #739
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

I recently moved from playing only SNG's to micro cash, and I want to become a mainly cash player.

What I want (need) to know is why my graph is so swingy, with it's constant up's and downs. I understand it's possibly too small a sample but yet I hope you can find something wrong with what I am doing so I can fix it.

I don't really understand why I'm moving up so slowly, I really feel that I am competent enough to be able to have a bigger winrate at such low stakes.
I have had huge losing sessions where I can't help but think my losses were (at least mainly) due to a bad run of the cards, i.e. a bad downswing, so I've taken a break for a few days when that happens and then I start over again.

I don't really know what more to say, please take a look at my stats and tell me what you think, and be frank. I can take it and I want to get better.

Thanks.




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Old 11-06-2009, 05:26 AM   #740
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

Greifin, nothing particular to see about your stats. This sort of swinginess is not uncommon, you just had one biggish downswing after hand 15,000 -- it is possible you went on tilt there, but you can snwer that question better than I can.
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Old 11-07-2009, 12:30 PM   #741
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My graph, stats and obvious leaks?

OK so i got HEM and I don't really know how to use it that well, but wondering if you could shed some light on my stats.

From what I can see I am playing a few too many hands and bluffing way too much (is that correct giving my red line being above blue line?)

Any tips or comments are welcome

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Old 11-07-2009, 12:33 PM   #742
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edit: my bad, it thought it was .01/.02
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Old 11-07-2009, 02:43 PM   #743
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Re: My graph, stats and obvious leaks?

try here op: official-beginners-nl-holdem-stats-thread
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Old 11-07-2009, 04:31 PM   #744
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Re: My graph, stats and obvious leaks?

i could be wrong, but your showdown line should be above your winnings line. the fact that your showdown line is so low means you're bringing crap hands to showdown.
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Old 11-07-2009, 04:46 PM   #745
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edit: my bad, it thought it was .01/.02
HAHAHA same thing, I was looking at the graph like WTH how is any line at $200 in 7k hands of 2NL, are you shoving every hand.
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Old 11-09-2009, 01:15 AM   #746
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how do u start a thread with a poll? i see u can click the thing on the bottom but how do you change the possible options to vote?
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Old 11-09-2009, 03:30 AM   #747
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woops thought i was in another section. my bad.
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Old 11-10-2009, 07:58 PM   #748
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Re: My graph, stats and obvious leaks?

Hi guys,

I know this is only a very small sample (4k) but I wanted views on my current stats at this level. The graph says 5k hands so it is including some other levels but from 500-4k I have been at 5NL. I am only two tabling at most, I might try 4 tables but I dont feel I could focus on all 4 at once and Id lose some value from some hands. Im trying to grind it slowly, does it look that way?

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Old 11-11-2009, 04:27 AM   #749
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

AndyM: you look like a passive nitty type. Your results are very good, though (nearly 13 buy-ins in 4k hands).
Your VPIP is 29% which is a bit loose, especially compared to PFR, which is WAY too low at 9%. The basic idea is: when you think you have the best hand, raise, don't just call.
Never open-limp, but you can sometimes just call when there are other limpers and you have a speculative hand (like low pocketpairs and low suited connectors).

Also postflop you seem quite passive -- you are not really betting/raising much but just calling down quite a lot it seems.
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:56 AM   #750
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AndyM: you look like a passive nitty type. Your results are very good, though (nearly 13 buy-ins in 4k hands).
Your VPIP is 29% which is a bit loose, especially compared to PFR, which is WAY too low at 9%. The basic idea is: when you think you have the best hand, raise, don't just call.
Never open-limp, but you can sometimes just call when there are other limpers and you have a speculative hand (like low pocketpairs and low suited connectors).

Also postflop you seem quite passive -- you are not really betting/raising much but just calling down quite a lot it seems.
Cheers for that. Its pretty much what I made of the stats as well but wanted some feedback. My results are decent though which is why I have kept that style since it seemed to be working. Ill try tighten up and be a bit more agressive and see what changes happen between now and around 10k hands.

Thanks again!
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