You need to play more hands.

Get vp/pfr closer together

nice, thanks for the great comments! i'm happy you could confirm i am/should be a winning player and not a huge luckbox on an upswing. i think my redline is going down because i really dont bluff often, and c/f too many turns OOP, but a lot of opponents are calling stations so i dont want to spew on that.

also i dont think of myself as a great postflop player, this is the reason i dont raise alot of hands in CO (when button is usually a loose station) and button, as i dont want to find myself in too many marginal spots.

do you have any suggestions for Deucescracked videos for barrelling and 3b/playing in 3b pot? because you're suggesting more 3b, and i'm somewhat scared of playing back at people in 3b pots so i play VERY straightforward as i don't want to commit lots of money and spew on an unsure bluff...

thanks again!!!

and heres my flop hand strength graph:

just wanting feed back from my 1st 20k hands at 10nl please. If theres anything I can improve on. Ive just started to recover from a big downswing.





thanks

Not good at reading PT3 reports, but you actually look pretty solid for 10NL imo.

You could probably still be a little more aggro here and there preflop, and I can't really read the postflop stats, but your redline is pretty good for 10NL, oddly.

I am personally a little tighter OOP, and way looser IP, but your stats arent attrocious.

Cliff notes: not insane obv leaks that I can see from what I can decipher from PT3's repots. Post hands that give you trouble and session reviews to pick up specific leaks. Get rolled and move up.


Side note: a lot of "beginners" have PT3 wtf. Where are 3betting and cbetting stats?

ok i started out at NoiQ poker doing a rake deal to get Holdem Manager. i started well grinding up a small bankroll playing there with the following stats (play here was in euros so worth ~1.5 dollars)...


so not the best stats by the text book, but still i was winning so didnt think so much about it. i decided to move to FTP and get rakeback as well as first time deposit and some of the good deals they offer like the take 2 promo.

i started poorly spewing some money away at 10NL and then some at 5NL before i decided i was going to take a step down to 2NL and play 16 tables at once and work on my stats and roll. i ended up with the following stats...



the early spew sessions at 10NL and 5NL mixed with some tournaments (mainly sats to the MiniFTOPS events) lead to me being down were i am now, ~$125 bankroll and surviving via rake back and bonus deals. here are some graphs






Any advice? i feel like im playing some pritty solid ABC poker, i seem to get caught out to often with over pairs Vs trips. im recent sessions i have been trying to play a bit more aggressive and play more hands as at one point i was playing around 11/9 stats, im aiming at around 16/13 or 16/14 area. is this right? was i playing to nitty before? and advice is welcome thanks...

Ash

From a quick glance, your stats don't seem too bad for 2-10NL, you play a lot tighter that I do, but it can be fine. Personally, I use position a lot more and steal a ton more from the button and CO, but your style can definitely work at those stakes. You can pretty much do whatever you want preflop, if you play well postflop.

Most of your major leaks are probably postflop. If you are getting it in with an over pair on a paired board a lot, make sure you know that the villain will stack off with worse (TP, smaller overpair, etc). Post some hands in the uNL forum or even here in the beginner's forum where you were confused or in a tough spot. Look to get in more/larger value bets, and try not to pay off passive opponents. If you want to open up your PF range, I would start incorporating big-card/broadway type hands in position and betting TP for value a lot at these stakes.

GL

I used to hate cash as it would instatilt me, but after playing tournaments for so long and having huge variance and the time commitment involved, I decided to give it another chance.

I've been playing strictly on FTP, 2NL, Full Ring. I started with $40. I am currently at $52.46 after 10,000 hands. At one point I was up around $60, but I tilted and donked some of it away. However, some of it was variance I believe. I started off 4 tabling, then I went to 8, and now I'm at 12.

Here are my graphs and stats. If I'm forgetting something please let me know.

ItalianFX, I don't play full-ring (or NL2 unless drunk), but I'll give it a shot:
(1) your VPIP/PFR of roughly 11/7 is very nitty, even for FR.
(2) Likewise, your steal percentage of 20% is just way too low. I know people don't fold much at NL2, but that's no reason not to raise the button with at least the top 35% of hands when opening. And that's just pure value betting.
(3) Your postflop stats are harder to judge, but they look generally OK. You're calling almost nothing, which is probably good at NL2, since there's relatively little bluffing and stuff there.

Overall, I think you could pick up a lot more small pots by using position, increasing your overall win-rate by something like 2-4 bb/100, which is about 25% of what you have now.

I'm can't call myself new to online poker, but this seemed the place to post my stats. I periodically try to re-invent my game and return to the lowest stakes to try out my ideas. Here are my stats for the last month:


I made a slight adjustment after 30k hands. Essentially, I noticed that limping wasn't showing +ev in any position. So I eliminated limping, thereby closing the gap between my vpip and pfr. I also didn't like the way I was 3 betting, so I rehashed that as well. Lastly, I noticed that while c-betting was -ev in some cases, it was LESS -ev than checking, so I starting c-betting some additional spots. Here's how things changed over the last 5k hands:

PFR: 27%

3-bet: 1.3% (actual times 3 bet)
My 3-bet range is about 8%, assuming someone had always raised in front of me why I have a 3 betting hand / position. I take about 1/4 of my 3 betting range to the felt if I'm 4 bet. I'm not really sure how to quantify my 3-betting better than that for this post.

C-bet (bet + raise): 79%

My aggression factor has correspondingly shot up with these changes, but I think that is mostly just a result of changing my PFR, 3 Bet, and C Bet spots.

Thanks for the input.

First of all, checking (and folding to a bet) has EV=0 by definition, so it can't be -EV. So if c-betting scores better, it is +EV.

Your stats are fairly weird, but probably good for NL2. The VPIP/PFR and cbet% are all HUGE, and considering your results, this shows that there are other ways to win at NL2 then to wait for big hands and stack donks with them.

I'm guessing that you have a massive amount of hands that go: someone limps, you raise from late position, get one caller. You c-bet the flop and villain folds.

A 3-bet% of 8% is quite aggressive, and I'm a bit surprised this works at NL2.

I'm also quite surprised at how much your agression goes down on turn and river, it looks like you really aren't value betting enough there, but I could be wrong.

As soon as I typed that, I knew I was saying that wrong. Let's try it again. I'm experimenting with c-betting some questionable spots to see if betting beats check/folding. Weird c-betting spots, like when I flop air OOP against multiple villians. It takes a long time to get any real data on that though. Even with 5k hands, the sample size on most of those spots is 3 hands or less. As a whole though, it seriously ramps up flop AF.

I think this is primarily do to hand reading and my pre-flop/flop aggression. By the turn, I'm usually pretty sure where I'm at in the hand. On the river, it clears up even further. Most of the time I'm either a) behind, or b) holding a marginal hand in a bloated pot. When I'm behind, I try to resist betting my opponents hand for them. When I've got a marginal hand, I'm usually trying to control the pot size and / or induce a river bluff. Finally, when I'm ready to go with my hand, I'm working hard to get the money in early. That usually means that if I make it to the river, it's probably not with the upper part of my range. I've pushed hard enough early in the hand that I'm really not looking to push my opponents off a hand by the river. In other words, it doesn't bother me to check and lose if I don't think betting will win.

Hopefully that all makes sense. I'm not sure if my playing style fits the stats in a way you'd expect though. I certainly welcome suggestions.

I've gone ahead and included my numbers since I made these adjustments. Mostly just for reference.

Thanks for your continued opinions.

Hi guys,

Been lurking here since early September, coincidentally the first time I started playing poker was early September too. I started with 90 dollars and started playing 2/5 NL on Pokerstars. Early on I felt like I was doing well and got my roll up to 180 and then through poor BR management fell down to ~20. I tightened up and got it back up to around 120 only to have it fall to its lowest point today. I decided it was time I sought help. I JUST downloaded PokerTracker 3 last night so I have around 1500 hands on there but today was my worst day ever and I want to improve. I understand I am breaking rule 1 but any insight is greatly appreciated. These are all in 2/5 NL on Pokerstars. Please if possible give any advice other than standard or variance if all possible.

I dont really have a defined play style so I will let the numbers speak for themselves



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Here are some more stats from PT3

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I had some really bad beats today so I thought I would throw these graphs up as well...


and finally


Thanks in advance guys for any help possible, once again I know the sample size is tiny but I have to do be doing something wrong.

There really isn't much to say on the basis of this sample. You lost something like 8 x $5 buy-ins in the space of 100 hands in the middle there. That can mean one these things:
(1) Bad luck, running into coolers, losing races
(2) Bad play (huge tilt), getting it in bad a lot
(3) A combination of those two.

It's probably (3). Your stats are reasonable but fairly meaningless in such a sample (for example, I suspect you don't usually play that loose UTG, you just had a run of cards there, or you tilted).

The way you're describing your runs, it sounds more like you run into occasional bouts of huge tilt where you start playing way too aggressive. Improving your stats won't help with that.

6 max 10 NL

Fourie, your stats look like those of a weak-tight nit.
You play extremely tight preflop (20% VPIP on the button is ridiculously tight), yet your Aggression Factor postflop is quite low (2.5 or so) and you lose a ton in non-showdown pots.

With your tightness preflop, you should normally still have the best hand postflop (even if you miss the flop), and your aggression factor should be through the roof (at least 4, but probably more like 8 or 12).
Also you should be c-betting at least 75% and your W$WSF above 45%.

It looks like you are constantly folding the best hand to me.

Probably you should have a look at the micro NL forum and post a bunch of hands there, or read.
Your losses are coming in small trickles, you must be losing a huge number of small pots. The mantra is: win small pots and big pots, lose the medium pots.

That means: pick up a ton of blinds, lots of 10 bb pots after c-betting, and make good reads when going for a big pot. You'll lose some 25 bb pots because your c-bets get called by made hands.

Decided it was time to switch from the casual 18 table 2nl play to focusing on 1 25nl table.

I feel comfortable and so far I have seen positive results.

Bankroll manamegment is not about how much you have in play, but howmuch you have on 1 table. To play NL25, even just 1 table, you need atleast $500, preferbly more. For 18-tables of nl2 you need $40.

Any advice? I'm about to the point of frustration playing 10NL that I'm just going to play 5NL for the rest of my life, or just stop playing. I really don't know what to do. It's so defeating to spend days playing 5NL, grind out several buyins, and then lose it all back in 30 minutes of playing 10NL.

I think the stats look pretty similar for all three levels, but the graph for 10NL obviously does not. 10NL can't be THAT much harder than 5NL, right?

Results for 2NL, 5NL, and 10NL:


Position for 2NL:


Position for 5NL:


Position for 10NL:


Graph for 2NL:


Graph for 5NL:


Graph for 10NL:

I do have enough for 25nl through tournaments so it's not too much of a problem. also I seem to be carrying on in the right direction so we'll see.

@rtr1129

To be blunt: you are a calling station.

Get VPIP/PFR much closer, everywhere.

I appreciate your feedback. You are right. So maybe my play was not all that good to begin with at 2nl and 5nl? That theory would fit the data the best, I think.

I play mainly 30NL and 50NL. Obviously I play v loose and my VPIP is not close enough to my PFR. Any other observations that you see? Would be glad to fix any leaks.

Thanks!

About to have my first coaching session with "Swingin". (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/142594/) Will also do a 10k hand at 25NL post result.

All stats are 25nl







BONUS! Hand Histories

Just started playing online again, out of boredom basically and I got tired of cash games at the casinos...

I put $75 on Pokerstars on 10/8/09
Worked it up to $230 in a few days playing only tournaments, under $6.00.
Usually the $3.40 18 player tourneys or the $3.40 single table SNG

Here's what Sharkscope has for me




What do you guys use to track of more in depth stats? Is there free software, or is there a place on Pokerstars that keeps that for you?
I'm a NEWB to online poker...

Sharkscope is obviously the only place I remembered

Generally, you want to have some stats program with a HUD (heads up display).. I think the consensus here is that HEM > PTR... But having one of the two is pretty essential to get more serious about the game

HEM: http://www.holdemmanager.net/
PTR: http://www.pokertracker.com/

CryMeARiver gives a pretty detailed post on what a HUD is here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...9&postcount=52