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07-13-2009 , 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Birkin
FWIW my W$WSF: 38%

I think I c/f a lot mainly because the majority of the pots I play are multiway, and that most of the people I play against will peel with bp or 2 overs. My VPIP is lower than it is now mainly because I played like a complete nit when I changed to my current site so I could get used to the games. I now run around 19/17.
OK, I guess you play full ring, where this is not so nitty, especially given the multiway pots you describe.

BTW on your earlier post: your steal % is not influenced by the fact that you don't get much opportunity to steal. It only counts how often you do it when given the chance. It IS influenced by loose donks in the blinds, since it makes it less attractive to steal with bad hands.
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07-13-2009 , 05:59 AM
First time posting stats + graph, here we go:







9BB/100 doesn't seem too high on 2nl based on other players I've seen. I'm wondering if I should begin moving up to 5nl, as I have 20BI for it. Just trying to figure out where I'm losing BB/100.
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07-13-2009 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by hawaiiloans
First time posting stats + graph, here we go:







9BB/100 doesn't seem too high on 2nl based on other players I've seen. I'm wondering if I should begin moving up to 5nl, as I have 20BI for it. Just trying to figure out where I'm losing BB/100.
What game are these stats from? Full-ring? 6Max?
If you got the BR, move up and see how it goes. Set a stop loss of like 10BI's maybe.
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07-14-2009 , 02:24 PM
Hello 2+2, short time browser first post now. I've been playing online poker for about 2 years now since I was 16, (18 now), and am recently getting very serious. I have built a bankroll from $50->$1000 twice now but would like to dig deeper and create a larger bankroll. I'm only 18 but I feel I have a very good grasp on the game so far.

As you can see, I am totally crushing 2NL and 5NL with a good winrate. My question is, where do I go from here? How do I advance my game to the next level?

I feel as though my biggest leak right now is that I think people at these microstakes are playing back at me and I know thats wrong.

Any help/advice is greatly appreciated.






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07-14-2009 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Dilla
As you can see, I am totally crushing 2NL and 5NL with a good winrate. My question is, where do I go from here? How do I advance my game to the next level?

I feel as though my biggest leak right now is that I think people at these microstakes are playing back at me and I know thats wrong.

Any help/advice is greatly appreciated.
You're almost certainly crushing given your achieved winrate and the numerb of hands. The only flaw I can see on the -- rather sparse -- set of stats I can read in there is that you're calling too much in the SB in particular and everywhere in general. Fold the SB more (do not complete any hands that need to flop 2 pair or trips to be playable) and raise more in position rather than limp. The latter is not too important though, and may not even work at NL2.

You are probably right about your biggest leak. It's mine too in general. Until proven otherwise, assume people play ABC poker. If they 3-bet you 3 times in a row, they probably just got 3 big hands in a row, and more like that.

Other than that , you seem to be on the way. Just build it up, move up when your roll allows it. If executed properly, this will get you as far as your talent and effort allows you.
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07-15-2009 , 04:18 PM
Finished my fist 10k hands at 25NL, I make some moves that get me in a lot of tough spots, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't but I have a reason for every play I make. Please review my stats and leave your input. 7BB /100, EV adjusted 12.61bb/100. Thanks

AI Graph

Showdown Graph


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Position

Last edited by Aly-J; 07-15-2009 at 04:43 PM.
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07-15-2009 , 07:54 PM
I have lost quite a bit (few hundred) playing without a clue. Well. Fresh start. This is my attempt at 0.01/0.02 and trying to finally make some green numbers... I am a terrible slow player. Just out of my feeling (I know, I know) I seem to do well, except for the occasional ****up (trips against trips, and that stuff) where you loose $2-3, all the nice money you just made. Look at the hours played made me just cringe a little, haha, but I guess that's how it is.







Thanks. I need to get hit. By a brick please.
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07-15-2009 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tinykitten
I have lost quite a bit (few hundred) playing without a clue. Well. Fresh start. This is my attempt at 0.01/0.02 and trying to finally make some green numbers... I am a terrible slow player. Just out of my feeling (I know, I know) I seem to do well, except for the occasional ****up (trips against trips, and that stuff) where you loose $2-3, all the nice money you just made. Look at the hours played made me just cringe a little, haha, but I guess that's how it is.
Seems like your winning, so I don't see the problem

Ok, serious answer: Bet you big hands, you'll make money with them that way. It might not seem that way when everyone folds but it's true on average, trust me. And raise your strong hands preflop. If there are limpers before you raise even more. Actually some people say that if everyone else folded before you you should always come in for a raise.
Finally play more hands when you are in late position and less in early positions. It's just easier to play when everyone else has to act before you on the flop.
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07-16-2009 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by SquirrelsUnite
Seems like your winning, so I don't see the problem

Ok, serious answer: Bet you big hands, you'll make money with them that way. It might not seem that way when everyone folds but it's true on average, trust me. And raise your strong hands preflop. If there are limpers before you raise even more. Actually some people say that if everyone else folded before you you should always come in for a raise.
Finally play more hands when you are in late position and less in early positions. It's just easier to play when everyone else has to act before you on the flop.
Well thank you. $0.44/hour just seemed extremely low, but I had a few bad sessions which probably make that number that low.
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07-16-2009 , 10:56 PM
what's it mean when your redline is positive, and your greenline is negative?
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07-17-2009 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by randompokerguy
what's it mean when your redline is positive, and your greenline is negative?
Most important of all, it means you're losing. It also means you're losing at showdowns and winning at non-showdowns. This usually means you are an over-aggressive bluff monkey against which opponents have devised the highly advanced check/call strategy.
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07-20-2009 , 04:11 PM




Alright, I just got done with 20k hands at 50nl 6max. I think my post flop game has much improved since moving to 50nl and I could narrow down ranges pretty good. Table selection is not a problem since I make sure to have at least 2 40+ vpip and a pretty active table.

Possible leaks:
Not aggressive enough on the river
Playing out of SB too much
Am I losing too much in nonshow down?
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07-21-2009 , 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DBallerz
Alright, I just got done with 20k hands at 50nl 6max. I think my post flop game has much improved since moving to 50nl and I could narrow down ranges pretty good. Table selection is not a problem since I make sure to have at least 2 40+ vpip and a pretty active table.

Possible leaks:
Not aggressive enough on the river
Playing out of SB too much
Am I losing too much in nonshow down?
The tables are really hard to read without the title bar on top, since not everybody keeps the same stats on there. I honestly can't tell any of the stats except VPIP and PFR and total winrate.

Your graph is very fgators-like which indicates you're getting pushed off many small pots becaue you're playing too weak-tight, too much fit or fold, which is why your red line is so low. It could also be because you're 2-barreling and then fold too much, but usually such a graph means weak-tight.

Including all your biggest losers doesn't help with that: they come from showdowns mostly, where you didn't get pushed off the hand.
Though the first hand (a bad beat) is a good example -- just get it all in on the flop there.
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07-21-2009 , 06:34 PM
I will post stats when i get a larger sample but want to know if you think playing optimaly at 10 nl you should have a positve or negative red line and how the gradient should change at different stakes.
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07-22-2009 , 01:17 AM
hi,

Anyone know how I can get the graph in poker Tracker 2 (Yeah I know...I am old school) to show total hands on the X-Axis and Running Total Won on the Y-Axis....As it is...I can only seem to graph the sessions vs Running total won.....
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07-22-2009 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by pinkmushroomhead
hi,

Anyone know how I can get the graph in poker Tracker 2 (Yeah I know...I am old school) to show total hands on the X-Axis and Running Total Won on the Y-Axis....As it is...I can only seem to graph the sessions vs Running total won.....
For PT2, use PokerGrapher:
http://www.overcards.com/wiki/moin/PokerGrapher
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07-23-2009 , 02:55 AM
Looking for help with leaks and any useful advice

graph at 25NL CAP 30 BB, or $7.50 --- about 300 hands mixed in with 50NL NL CAP 30 BB, or 15.00.



this is position chart


this is advanced stats



Again this is 25NL CAP mostly, any suggestions? or leak spotting?
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07-23-2009 , 05:40 PM
Played 10,000 hands or so at 25nl after beating 10nl over 30,000 hands and cant beat it at all. cant see where i am going wrong and am gettin frustrated when playing so have to stop sometimes to avoid tilt. Any advice about my stats, graphs etc would be appreciated. Thanks.





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07-23-2009 , 07:04 PM
After a pretty vicious downswing at .10/.20 and .25/.50 I moved all the way back down to .02/.04 to do some retooling. I plan on playing 10k-20k hands each at both NL4 and NL10 to look at stats and find issues with my game that might be causing problems at NL20/50.

From what I can tell:

1. My WTSD% seems really really high. Which at 4NL isn't such a bad thing, but it was at 30% at NL20 and NL50.

2. My positional awareness needs to improve. My stats do drop to ~25/21 at the higher levels, which is a product of being tighter UTG and MP, but I'm not sure I'm doing well enough there.

3. My C-Bet% seems to be doing exactly the opposite of what it should from UTG-BTN/Blinds, going up and not down. I attribute part of this to how often 4NL players call raises from any position, and me not wanting to try to fold 2-3 players out on a lot of flops, but it could also be a giant leak.

Any ideas and other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.




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07-23-2009 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Boro1986
Played 10,000 hands or so at 25nl after beating 10nl over 30,000 hands and cant beat it at all. cant see where i am going wrong and am gettin frustrated when playing so have to stop sometimes to avoid tilt. Any advice about my stats, graphs etc would be appreciated. Thanks.
I'm sure you know this, but you play way way too tight. But because you're playing so few hands, you can profitably c-bet and double barrel a lot more often than you're doing.

Try opening up a little more from CO and BTN to get your stats up to 16/14 or 17/15ish if you must play like a nit, and really focus on getting your C-bet and double barrel up, your NSD is killing you and those two thing will help a ton.
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07-24-2009 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Aly-J
Finished my fist 10k hands at 25NL, I make some moves that get me in a lot of tough spots, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't but I have a reason for every play I make. Please review my stats and leave your input. 7BB /100, EV adjusted 12.61bb/100. Thanks

AI Graph

Showdown Graph


Overall


Position
Looks pretty good but you pretty much auto Cbet every flop. Start looking at baord texture and putting your opponents on ranges before you bet the flop and you won't put yourself in as tough spots. Also, look at tyour Cbet sizing as this can be important and you can usually make it less than you are (especially with your positive redline you are probably blowing people off your good hands if you are just mashing the pot button)
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07-24-2009 , 04:17 PM
Hello,
I'm a NL10 player and I've been wondering what are ideal vpip/pfr stats.
My main question is about this:
When I loosen up and start raising lots of hands, I have to decrease my cbet % because they tend to not get respected at all. On the other side, If I keep a pfr of about 8-9, they get respected, I can cbet a lot more and I'm rarely being floated at all. So, What are ideal vpip/pfr stats for NL10 FR?

Thanks in advance!
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07-24-2009 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Karson21
Hello,
I'm a NL10 player and I've been wondering what are ideal vpip/pfr stats.
My main question is about this:
When I loosen up and start raising lots of hands, I have to decrease my cbet % because they tend to not get respected at all. On the other side, If I keep a pfr of about 8-9, they get respected, I can cbet a lot more and I'm rarely being floated at all. So, What are ideal vpip/pfr stats for NL10 FR?

Thanks in advance!
17/14 afaik.

It's been a while since I played FR.
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07-24-2009 , 06:27 PM
Do you want cbet respected too much for when you have hands? Or with pfr of 8-9 when you don't cbet do you get more action later in the hands on those good hands?
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07-24-2009 , 06:54 PM
There are winning players in the micro fullring games with stats anywhere from 9/6 to 20/15. I think its pretty commonly accepted that between 12/9 and 15/12 is the sweetspot, but the prettiest stats in the world won't mean a thing if you can't play postflop.

$0.02
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