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Old 07-02-2009, 12:48 PM   #526
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

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Pre-flop more than half the time, or postflop? We really need to identify your problems on the button. I'm 100% sure that's where your largest leaks are. The bold line being one of them.
Preflop. I think your right when you said that I call to many 3bets.

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I think the other is that you're winning tiny pots with your pre-flop play and losing large pots with your post-flop play. You have a 41% W$WD% OTB so here are some of your showdown losses.
Does this mean that Im going to showdown too light?

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Also, show me your WWSF% for your button play, you have such a high AF that maybe you are just firing your marginal pairs, rather than check/calling, and value towning yourself.
My win% when saw flop from the button is 41%.

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Lastly, lets see your graph for the button. Go to filters and select position off button = 0 and let's see... from what you say, your SDW should be positive but I will guarantee that they aren't. And you already admitted your NSDW suck on the button... all three lines should be positive OTB.
I know that my SDW aren't positive form the button, but yes I stick to what I say, they should be and I believe they are this way due to variance. And I didn't say my NSDW winnings on the button suck, I said they are fine.

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Btw before this 10K hands I was winning on the button at +22BB/100. That was also over a 10K sample. The difference over that sample was the following: I was c-betting the flop 85% instead of 70%, I was c-betting the turn 48% instead of 41%, my aggression was higher at 4.6 instead of 3.5, 3bet% was 8.5 instead of 4, my wtsd% was 18 instead of 26 and my w$sd% was 65% instead of 52%. Those are the differences between 10K hands running 1BB/100 and 10K hands running 23BB/100. Do you think that my stats before this 10K hand stretch are causing a difference of 22BB/100!? And what do you think about these button stats?

And thanks for your replies so far, very helpful.
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Old 07-02-2009, 12:54 PM   #527
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Re: -2.5BB/100 at NL10 for 10K hands, please help.

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Actually most people post BE stretches < 10K hands and whilst it may not seem like a lot the difference between BE and -2.5 is quite a lot. Assuming a fairly typical standard deviation of 40BB/100 a 7BB/100 winner will lose at this rate for this long less than 1% of the time.

I am completley honest with myself when it comes to poker, if I feel I'm being outplayed then I would admit it. But all I see at NL10 is players constantly making terrible plays and having terrible stats, when I post hands I almost always ended up making what other posters would consider to be the correct decision. It really does feel like every time I have a good hand someone has a great hand but when ever I have a great hand no one has anything. The fact that I never have anything is probably also hurting my non-showdown winnings, since Im not betting as much therefore my opponents have less opportunities to fold. But yeah, the main problem is the fact that my blue line is BE.
I've had several 10k BE stretches....don't worry about it :P

Also don't worry about non-showdown winnings.

You're running through variance and you still don't have the poker mind set to just get through it, that will come with time. That's why we need breaks, we're not pros, we can't go on a downswing and simply shrug it off, we're gonna steam.

Take a break and try again.
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Old 07-02-2009, 01:39 PM   #528
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **






I ran bad at 25NL.
I played tighter and less aggressive at 50NL and noticed there are more maniacs at 50nl and more nits and shortstacks at 25nl

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Old 07-02-2009, 03:36 PM   #529
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

Having one position really bad and the others decent is a pretty telling sign that there is a leak. I think just try and stick to what your doing but quit calling 3bets as much would be a start? Re-evaluate in 10K hands. I'm positive that will help your game.
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Old 07-02-2009, 04:01 PM   #530
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

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Having one position really bad and the others decent is a pretty telling sign that there is a leak. I think just try and stick to what your doing but quit calling 3bets as much would be a start? Re-evaluate in 10K hands. I'm positive that will help your game.
Yeah it looks like a leak but I am 99% sure it's almost fully due to variance. I've always won most on the button, just like one should. I agree I need to fold to 3bets more and maybe stop stealing as much + cbet more and 2nd barrel more. But even playing the was I am I think I should be winning most form the button. Ill give it 15k or so more hands then if it continues, we have a problem.

So no other major leaks then?
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Old 07-02-2009, 04:05 PM   #531
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

Your red line is saddening but I really don't know what's going on there. Probably you stealing with poor hands, low cbet% and the dbl barrels.

Anyways, it's always nice to have something to work on, imo.

Did you see any leaks in my stats?
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Old 07-02-2009, 06:18 PM   #532
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

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Your red line is saddening but I really don't know what's going on there. Probably you stealing with poor hands, low cbet% and the dbl barrels.

Anyways, it's always nice to have something to work on, imo.

Did you see any leaks in my stats?
Your stats look pretty good imo for nl2, I cannot spot any sizeable leaks at all. You're winning at 10BB/100 which is absolutely crushing. You have really good winrates in the blinds, which may mean you're just running hot since most players (even pretty good players) almost always lose in the blinds. But at nl2 I know the players are terrible there so it might be possible to sustain that. Its something to be aware of when you move up though, losing +5BB/100 in the blinds is pretty normal.
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Old 07-02-2009, 06:33 PM   #533
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

on another note..



never thought it would arrive.
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Old 07-08-2009, 02:28 PM   #534
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

I play 10 nl and have just started using poker tracker. On the graph should the red line, non-showdown winnings be positive or negative or does that just depend on style. Mine is slowly heading south but i have made a small but consisted profit overall.

I play play tag ish with a few other hands from the co and button. I generaly only fire a single C-bet and shut down if called so could try firing more bets to try and get the red line up.

Any comments apreciated

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Old 07-09-2009, 10:10 AM   #535
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Exclamation My Stats are 27/22 after 127K hands: Good or Bad?

I am running at 27 VPIP and 22 PFR after a sample size of 127k hands. Keep in mind that I only play 6 max cash games and 4 tables at a time.

I would just like feedback on these stats. Is it good or bad? Any kind of analysis would be great. Thanks!
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Old 07-09-2009, 10:23 AM   #536
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Re: My Stats are 27/22 after 127K hands: Good or Bad?

check the sssh forum for stats
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Old 07-09-2009, 10:38 AM   #537
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

george, look at the stats that people posted in this thread. if you want any meaningful feedback you should post similar stats. screenshots are highly recommended. people who post in these sorts of threads know what to look for (but as i said, as a guide you should look at what others posted)
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Old 07-11-2009, 04:48 PM   #538
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

Anything I can do to improve as of now? I just got pokertracker not too long ago, so my sample size might be too small? 5671 Hands. Anything else needed?

Thanks for any help and advice.

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Old 07-11-2009, 06:59 PM   #539
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

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Anything I can do to improve as of now? I just got pokertracker not too long ago, so my sample size might be too small? 5671 Hands. Anything else needed?

Thanks for any help and advice.

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Dude LOL.

Have you read any of the strategy forums on here?
You are a loose-passive donkey fish. My dream opponent. Gotta say you run good though. VPIP=39/PFR=6????? You appear to be coldcalling a lot when someone raises. Why do you do this?
Also your postflop aggression is non-existent. Basically it looks like you;ve managed to tilt a bunch of aggro-monkeys into betting against you when you have a monster. You might be the best slow-player ever, from the looks of your stats. However, as to winning poker, you have literally everything wrong.
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Old 07-11-2009, 07:18 PM   #540
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Dude LOL.

Have you read any of the strategy forums on here?
You are a loose-passive donkey fish. My dream opponent. Gotta say you run good though. VPIP=39/PFR=6????? You appear to be coldcalling a lot when someone raises. Why do you do this?
Also your postflop aggression is non-existent. Basically it looks like you;ve managed to tilt a bunch of aggro-monkeys into betting against you when you have a monster. You might be the best slow-player ever, from the looks of your stats. However, as to winning poker, you have literally everything wrong.
I knew I was definitely doing things wrong. Didnt know exactly what though.

And, yes. I've read most of these https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...hreads-430489/

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Old 07-12-2009, 10:20 AM   #541
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stats help

Hi all would appreciate some thought on my stats. I have just over 10k hands (using poker tracker2), I know not that many, playing micro stakes 5/10 10/25 no limit holdem.

I'm trying to spot my leaks. First I think my 'Folded to river bet' is too high at 78.82% which means i'm being bluffed too much or overplaying my draws - comments please.

Also my VPIP on pocket pairs is only 19.58 - is this way too low?

Thanks for your thoughts, if you need any further clarification please ask.

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Old 07-12-2009, 10:52 AM   #542
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Re: stats help

Your VPIP on PPs is way too low.

Much profit at these levels (especially in FR) comes from making 3-of-a-kind with your PPs and from your big PPs.

High fold to river bet is not so much a concern, especially in FR river bets at these levels usually mean they have it. Even at 6max, people are gonna bluff you less on the river than on other streets (especially few bluff-raise the river). But know your villain obv, even at 2NL, some are capable of bluffing busted draws on the river (and more ppl have these moves in their arsenal at higher stakes).

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Old 07-12-2009, 11:06 AM   #543
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Re: stats help

there is a stats thread at the top of this page. being so vague w/o knowing anything else isnt going to make it easy in commenting on your stats anyway.

O and my vpip for pocket pairs is 90% but i raise any PP from any position and call normal raises for set mining if villian stack is full and they arent a huge nit
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Old 07-12-2009, 11:31 AM   #544
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Thanks guys, I thought so
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Old 07-12-2009, 11:32 AM   #545
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Excuse my ignorance in poker slang but what are villains and nits?
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Old 07-12-2009, 12:28 PM   #546
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Excuse my ignorance in poker slang but what are villains and nits?
Poker jargon is the best kind of jargon.

Villain = The person (sometimes persons) that we all hate. They all the ones who oppose us in every decision we make; the ones that try to take our money in tough spots via hand histories posted on 2+2.

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Nit = A person who plays incredibly tight pre-flop (like 8/7 for NL or something) who would probably commit suicide if he was forced to play NL at a casino. Since he folds pre-flop so often, any action from him post-flop basically turns his hand face-up and makes him relatively easy to play against. This kind of person will also constantly miss value from passing up on marginal +EV spots and will then wonder why he isn't beating 25NL.
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Old 07-12-2009, 12:36 PM   #547
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

Can someone tell me if these are ok. I think my steal pct is so low because the majority of the time i'm BTN there are already 2+ limpers in.

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Old 07-12-2009, 05:26 PM   #548
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purty solid dode.

steal pct only factors when it gets folded to you, but its fine if its workign for you.
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Old 07-12-2009, 06:17 PM   #549
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Can someone tell me if these are ok. I think my steal pct is so low because the majority of the time i'm BTN there are already 2+ limpers in.

Not bad. You run bad, and you're a bit nitty. Actually you're a really incredible bloody nit. I'd like to see you're W$WSF. If it's under 40%, you're check/folding too much. You could easily get it up to 45% or so.
Donb't jut go all crazy now, but just start betting more in position when you think you are ahead, either preflop or on the flop. Don't worry so kuch about them outflopping you, they usually didn't.

This is an approach that carries a higher risk/variance, and you'll have to learn to adapt, or understand the whole your range vs their range thing better. You may well lose money at first. Just open up your betting preflop and flop, and evaluate after every few k hands. At least for me, if you're honest to yourself, you can see where you took the aggression too far, and where it's good.
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Old 07-12-2009, 07:01 PM   #550
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FWIW my W$WSF: 38%

I think I c/f a lot mainly because the majority of the pots I play are multiway, and that most of the people I play against will peel with bp or 2 overs. My VPIP is lower than it is now mainly because I played like a complete nit when I changed to my current site so I could get used to the games. I now run around 19/17.
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