Something is not right here so i would be greatfull if someone could explain the flaw in my game



Winnings is clear

Top line is Non Showdown Winnings and the bottom line is Showdown winnings.

big drop is QQ vs KK i lost, but i thought the lines should be the opposite way around?

How can we tell on the basis of a single graph with no numbers, that looks like it's a 200 hand session?

Wow nearly Fabadam, sorry i didnt think the money and hands would make much of a difference, i thought if the ones above the other your doing xxx wrong or not doing xxx right.

Its nearly 300 hands (I know thats a very small sample, but i never had it like this and thought if theres something wrong i would like to stop it now, rather in 10k hands)

Just started on Betfair. Winnings are at +$6 WWOSD +$9 WASD -$4 or something it was up, but i lost a BI ($4) QQ vs KK

AF is at 37% after around 280 hands

You can't say simple things like "the $ won at showdown should be higher than $ won without showdown". There are winning styles that are one way around and the other. It also depend on the opponents: against a table full of nits you'll win more without showdown, against calling stations you can only win by winning showdowns.

Also, just bare stats only tell something about leaks if they are very much out of whack (like having a VPIP/PFR of 67/2, or a flop aggression factor of 0.1). And then never in just a few hundred hands. I've played 300 hand sessions with the red line way above the blue and vice versa, while changing nothing in my play.

Hi guys, just a small back story...was playing NL25 and doing pretty good, had my BR up to about £1k and then basically donated most of it away playing HU way underolled.

Was going to go back to NL25 as I didn't want to drop down to NL10 (pride issue I guess) but then found out that I needed to work on my game so decided to bite the bullet and drop down to NL10 to rebuild my game (and bankroll!)

Played 35k hands now and am back in the black after a horrendous run.

I think my VPIP and PFR are ok, pretty standard TAG really (after taking advice from here) but I just wonder if anyone can spot any obvious leaks/flaws that I can't?

Or is it just a case of 'Keep Calm and Carry On'?

Comments appreciated, thanks in advance!

I'll give it to either 5k or 10k hands and post all the stats if the lines stayed the same, im just wondering if im getting too aggressive, but then last night the cards i was getting i couldnt lose!

Nearly every pocket pair hit, delt pocket Kings twice on two tables, pocket aces twice on two tables all within 100 hands!

BeerBatter,
your stats look like fairly standard TAG stats. Winning so little with those stats at NL10 suggests there are leaks in your play, but I can't see them from the stats.
However, things like bluffing too much into stations, calling too light, etc don't show up in stats.

Thanks, yeah might be doing a bit of that tbh...been reviewing my hands over the last few days and i've had MANY coolers and w/e but have noticed a few instances of this too.

Maybe I need to reel my neck in a bit.

Thx

I posted this in the micro NL forum but this seems a better place to post for discussion and recommendations. The sample size also isn't huge but look for some suggestions.


So this month has been really bad for me so far. I know that 18,000 hands is not that much, but it is pretty much all the 50NL I have played lately. I beat 25NL at a decent rate in order to move up, and really don't want to have to move back down. I'd really like to try to find some of my leaks (eh don't we all).

Going over my positional stats I am surprised I am not winning as much from the button. However, i am pretty happy to have a positive red line and winning money out of the small blind. I know the VIP seems pretty high for the SB but I think being profitable or break even in the SB has really led to my profitable redline which I have never had it in the past. I probably could tighten up a bit under the gun and stop raising KJ, AT etc except for table dependent. Most of this month I have been playing 5-8 table but I think I am going to try to move down and play 4 tables to curb this downswing. It doesn't help that I am down 9 BI in All In equity this month (according to Holdem luck). I'm looking for any suggestions here. It's frustrating to see my showdown winning down so much when this is where most people make all their money, and I don't think I am bluffing too much or spewing chips where this is the case. I don't care where the money comes from as long as it is coming. Sure, sometimes I find myself stacking off poorly with TPGK hands and second best hands, and I'll admit it. It's somehting I'm working on but still don't think it is the main reason this month has been so poorly. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

walke, your stats look extremely aggressive: AF>3 and AFq 53% means you're basically always betting. That will get your red line up, because you'll be pushing people off better hands, but also off worse hands that you could win more from by being a bit less aggressive.

Your EV graph shows your loss is mostly caused by running bad, but playing as aggressive as you seem to, you're always lose overall in showdowns.

Basically it looks like you have gone from TAG to semi-LAG, and like most (including me) you have a tendency to be over-aggressive.

(BTW, I always have nearly all winnings from red line, because I apparently value bet too high on the river. It's what I'm working on.)

I can agree with this. There are times I try to do my bet sizing in a way to set up a slightly less than pot sized bet on the river to get it in. However, this also means that if they fold to a $25+ bet on the river then all my winnings are going to show up as a non showdown pot. I also think there are times with my bigger hands OOP where I don't ever give the villian a chance to bluff on the river with missed draws to what they think is value betting with TPGK


Lately I have really been working paying more attention to what hands I Cbet (or possibly delayed cbet) adn what not to, as well as floating TAGs in position. I think this has also contributed to a positive red line. Also, I ran a filter on pots when I 3bet pre and found that jsut about all my profit in these spots are from non showdown winning. I am trying to work on my bet sizing with both big hands and marginal ones (or air) to be more profitable.

I think that if I am going to play 22/18 then i need to be aggressive, but maybe not hyper aggresive. I would probably rather play 20/18 anyway and 3 bet a little more in position (especially BTN vs CO) rather than calling

Hi, I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but couldnt find a better place.


I'm trying Holdem Manager, to analyse my sit and go 9 players 3,40$ game, on stars.

I understand that when the column %EV Won is 0, it means i should lose the buy-in. What i don't understand is when the value is negative, like this:

$won: 0;
$EV won: -4,7;.

How should one interpret this? If i had cashed, i can understand that EV should be negative, in case i sucked out big time on the bubble or something. But given that i lost my buy-in by not cashing... How was i supposed to lose 4,7 bucks plus the buy-in?


Some help would be much apreciated, sorry for the newbie question.

Hi there.

I just recently moved to NL25 even though I am slightly beyond my bankroll because I just can't stand the NL10 tables (started at about $150 NL25, up to $250).

I had played about 3000-4000 hands there when I realized that although I was winning, my game needed to get better. I have tried to 'model' it around my poker tracker stats, although intuition based on each table comes first.

Can anyone provide some feedback on my stats to see if I'm on the right track? Anything too high, too low? I am 4-tabling currently.

I'm not a SNG player, but I think I know how HEM works here. At least, the latest versions have ICM calculations in them.
So, before a hand begins, you have X chips, and this translates to an ICM-expected cash equity of Y.
Now, if you make a call that will, on average, lose you chips, your ICM equity goes down. So a fold would have been $EV=0 or even positive (because if someone busts, you win EV dollars by folding), and now your $EV has gone down.

So you are not losing your buy-in plus money, you are losing a part of your current cashing equity.

<cough>Sample size</cough>

Still, some things stand out even at <1k hands:
(1) Limp less, raise more.
(2) Don't limp so much from the SB, just fold.
(3) Your aggression factor is very low. You are either not betting/raising enough, or calling too much. Probably both, though it looks especially you're not betting enough.
(4) It looks like you are slowplaying every big made hand to the river. Don't do that, start betting earlier. Both to protect your made hands and to make the pot bigger on you big hands.

Thank you sir.

Positional stats would prob. help even more.

My BB and SB are negative, BB quite negative. Maybe I am calling too many small PF raises with BB because I already have money in? Limping too much with SB i know that.

I also want to see BTN, CO UTG etc.

Find the pos. stats tab and post a screen shot

Hi guys!

as you can see i started pretty good i try to play pretty much TAG game and i think it works pretty well at uNL , from the hand 25K i think i hit a downswing getting bad beats ,coolers , not getting paid etc... i play mostly 5NL and 25NL not too much at 10NL , anyway i think i can easly beat these games cause i see a ton of fundamentals mistakes that my opponents make

anyway thanks for the responses and these are my stats,

I find it interesting that your red line starting diving and your winnings stagnated at same time. Did you chance your style? As I think what you were playing previously was better.

25NL Stats:



By Position:



Graph:



Hopefully my 50NL shot goes well.

<-- Bankroll nit ldo

Hey guys long time player here finally trying to get serious and grind my way up. Currently playing NL10 on FullTilt.

Kinda getting frutrated by the grind but trying to keep at it. First 3k are from 6max then I changed and started playing full ring. Anything stand out to anyone?

Also, still not sure what the difference between a break-even player and a winning player is. I'm afraid I might be fitting into the first one.

Okay so last time I posted these stats:



But the sample size was pretty small.

I have some new stats, along with position stats of a slight bigger sample size. Unfortunately, my winnings are a bit less than I wanted because of a full BI pocket A loss and over a full buyin pocket K loss..goes to show the sample is still pretty small for that to be significant. Anyways, give me some feedback! Thanks.





Basically I've tried to increase folding of small blind, increase position card selection, fold BB more often and reraise blind stealers. I've also tried to increase/balance my aggression but have had little luck. I guess it's okay to play tight in NL25 they basically bet for you.

vnh sir, good luck at NL50...I should be there by now stupid me for playing HUNL50