Nawledge is exactly right. With your bankroll, just start at NL10. NL2 and NL5 is poker hell (I'm sure you are aware), and what they do down there only slightly resembles poker. The only reason to be there is to build a roll from nothing. NL10 is where halfway decent poker begins to be played. So it's a great place to learn.

Your bankroll is MASSIVE for NL10.

You are too tight and you are too passive

Well if this is true then obviously you're just running pretty bad. 16k hands is not much, and the fact that it's only nl5 does not make that much of a difference, MANY people do not realize this. Variance at nl5 is not THAT different to nl50. Of course it's smaller, but people mistakenly think that breakeven stretches and downswings are not possible at nano stakes, they are.

This is what was so confidence crushing for me (the bold part), when I broke even for 20k hands at nl5. I thought, dam I should only be here for 10k hands. BS, stay there until your confident with moving up, if that's after 3k hands then move up, if it takes 50k so be it. Tons of people always brag about how quick then moved up to nl50 and how they were only at nl10 for 10k hands, these people (whilst probably decent and belong at higher stakes) ran hot.

You are obviously running pretty bad, I know this because of how well you did at nl2. Yes nl5 is a bit harder, but there is no way that a 8ptbb/100 winner is suddenly a loser at the next level. Your stats are not great, as others have pointed out, but still with those stats you would beat nl5. I suspect you are not stealing blinds enough and maybe this is causing you to have large non-showdown losses. Try punishing limper's in position instead of limping along with them and post your stats in the unl stats thread to get much more advice.

gl.

This is not true, his stats are garbage, look at his flop agression factor

Well, I would NOT play 2nl with your bankroll. I would play 5NL and try to make 20BI (100$) profit and move up. That way you are sure you are doing ok at the level ( I think in your situation we dont need alot more BI because you are way overrolled for 5NL ). I would then make the switch to 10NL.

I would loosen up a little bit. I play 2NL/5NL ( im switching ) and as mentioned above me if you were to enter a hand, I would probably autofold. I did 19k hands and I run at 19/11 ... I play 6max and doing 33bb/100 hands, so I think its an ok style atm. That is if you want to play 2NL. Wich I do not suggest with your bankroll. I would post some hands were you think your were loosing/spewing money. I , and others will be glad to take a look at them.

I seen his stats and I said they're not great, but to beat nl5 they don't have to be great. You really think someone with these tight passive stats cannot beat nl5? I would be really shocked if op was a losing player at nl5.

Most important rule always is: just make sure you don't go broke.

Improve in the mean time, move up when you're ready.

Oh come on. NL5 is unnecessarily frustrating and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemies. There is no reason a person cannot start their learning process at NL10. He has got 65BI for that level. He has a huge margin for error.

OP definitely is smart enough and has the fundamentals down to hang tough at NL10. He just needs to open up his game a little and get a little more aggro.

If he's confident yea he could do that. If he's not I was suggesting he could do some 5NL. Its not like loosing a BI there is soulcrushing for his BR. He's rolled for 10NL thats for sure.

Let's have a hug then?

lol hes rolled for NL25 also

26 BI, not reccommending that you move im just saying that you are rolled for it.

To me it seems as if he plays a "bi-polar" style of poker. Lol

He seems too tight and passive at the same time. Too nitty in a way......

Dude, keep on truckin'.... All I can say.

Here are my position stats. I will respond to replies further in a lil bit. Gotta fly and get my car fixed. Interesting responses so far though.

Ok, your preflop play is reasonably position-aware. Two observations:
(1) Do not post blinds in late position, wait for the blind. You may even be overplaying these hands leading to your CO loss??
(2) You seem to be limping in a lot. Don't do that. If there's one or two limpers to your button, RAISE 4BB+1 per limper. It's OK to limp into a family pot with a speculative hand.
(3) Play your BB just as tight as UTG.

There's not much else to see here, which means you may have been running bad, or your post-flop play has leaks (they won't show here).
I do note that you're losing money from all early position, despite your very tight play there. I suspect you're playing way too nitty postflop and are getting pushed off the best hand a ton, but that's just a guess.

Garbage? Really? How high should my agg factor be?

(1) I was doing this in the beginning and cut it out recently and just started waiting for the blinds to get to me while I load other tables.

(2) In the beginning of playing 5NL I was limping small pocket pairs a bunch and after talking to another member here started raising em all pretty much if I was opening or in late position with limpers.

(3) I have seen alot of good hands in the blinds and ep lately and I think thats the reason for such a high vpip in those spots. Facing raises I flat alot with hands like AK, AQ since I am oop and can get away if I don't hit.

I agree I play pretty passively and I thought that was pretty much a winning strategy at these levels. If I don't hit I get out of the pot or if my cbets get floated and I'm oop I give it up. I will admit I need some help post flop though. I do need to start doing sweats with some other players.

It does seem like NL5 is filled with a ton of players with my style of play though. So I am wasting my time at NL5? Seems to be what I have read here if I don't need to build a roll.

Hey guys, i've been playing 10nl for about a week now, and my stats are nearly identical to my 2nl stats (maybe a tinnny bit tigher) which is over 50k hands, so even though this is only 10k hands, my stats have varied very little.

I was wondering if anyone could have a look at my graph and stats and tell me if you see any glaring leaks Thanks a lot.

whats the recommended bankroll for $1-2 no limit online?

I'd say at the very minimum $6k, but that's just because I keep a 30 BI bankroll requirement. I really think 20 BI is too low at these stakes because you start to encounter much more decent aggro regs at these stakes that cause your variance to go up quite a lot (there's relatively high amount of AIPF and 3-bet/4-bet situations where stack will go in for coinflips).

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http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5030/statr.png

For a week of 10NL, you're doing fine.

What are you getting all in PF with that your EV is only 51%? Maybe you're overplaying your JJ, AK and even QQ a bit against the wrong opponents.

Another indication of this is your Fold vs 3bet% being 50%... at NL10, they're not 3-betting light and their range quite often is exclusively AA/KK, so fold more to 3-bets unless you're certain you can get 200BB in the middle with a hand that can flop big.

Next step for you would be to bump your Steal % up (a little bit at a time - not 17.7% to 40% in one go!). Open up your range a little bit at a time from the button and CO - (including raising limpers in front) and that should help your red line.

So, this is my BR graph ever since I got Poker CoPilot...just add about 360ish to the graph, and you get my BR. I was playing 10NL for most of the time, then I moved up to 25NL. Should it be so, I dunno, spiky and erratic?

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Oh, and these are the stats that went with it, if they help it make sense.

Pretty much standard yeah..

When ever you are dealing with probabilities, you will suffer the effects of variance

A piece of advice, try to lower the gap between "Voluntarily put $ in pot", VP$IP, and "Pre-flop raise", PFR. You want to be the aggressor of the pot.

No need for adjustments right away, since you run fairly nice already. And at NL10 people isnt that observant.

Another thing is, that 3-betting will later on be much more important, so you need to be able to 3-bet other things then AA, KK and AK. And at NL10 you can do alot of 3-betting profitably, since people will call you. When thats said, DO NOT 3-bet with AIR! You will get called, so 3-bet for value. Try 3-betting TT+, and AJs+ AQ+. You are very likely ahead of most of the villains ranges, so start building pots.

Otherwise it looks nice.
GL

-16 BI over 15k hands 4-tabling

Standard?

Am playing NL10 on partypoker ... please tell me how are my stats ( am playing BSS );



I lost a couple of ALLins with set's/flushes and top pairs ... otherwise I think am doing ok. I am very aware of position play and so on ...

please comment my stats, thanks !!!

(1) VPIP/PFR = 11/5 ?? Man, when you raise, doesn't everybody just insta-fold?
(2) Stop limping and limp/calling. Just raise or fold. If you're gonna play that tight, at least make your stats 11/11.
(3) You seem to be completely unaware of the importance of position.
(4) You don't steal blinds at all it seems.
(5) Given your overall tightness, you of course also fold to steals an awful lot, though you are relatively loose from the blinds even.
(6) It also seems you c-bet a stunning amount, which might mean you can;t let go of hands once you've decided to play.

I'm not surprised you've lost all-ins with top-pairs. Against you I'd probably fold anything except pocket pairs and set mine.