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05-30-2009 , 08:07 PM
Well, your main problem appears to be that you don't win showdowns, while still lose money on non-showdowns. Maybe tighten up postflop, consider getting into less fights with trickier opponents.

It's ok for a red line to go down, but if your showdowns arent winning then you're just not getting your money in ahead. Fold more. Avoid marginal spots. Muck your overpair when you get raised on suspicious boards against unusual aggression.

There are excellent video's that talk about basic stuff. You don't need to 3bet light or do any of the stuff you see in cardrunners 25nl video's. These kinds of things will get you in trouble if you don't have the basics down yet. Go one step at a time.

Of course, 10k sample doesn't say everything.
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05-30-2009 , 08:44 PM
And, while i'm here, I would like some input as well....

Backstory: I'm a ~15/13 weaktight nit who, as you can see, loses money big time on non-showdowns. I guess this is fine as long as the fish keep donating money, but at some point i'm going to have to deal with this.

The way I play is like this: I only coldcall raises with strong suited hands (9T+) and pocket pairs. I don't even 3bet much with TT, JJ. I'm even flatcalling AK pf a lot, depending on opponents.

Flop: I cbet quite a lot. I try to avoid cbetting against good opponents on boards like 356tt. Getting raised is my kryptonite. Every time I get raised i'm afraid someone has a set, 2pair, or that one possible straight out there. I'm cool with stacking off against shorties in these spots, but if i'm OOP and my overpair gets raised on a weird board, i'm usually mucking.
When I'm more than 80% sure that I have the best hand, I valuebet the hell out of my hands.

Because of all this, I have an ok winrate. But the problem is that I can't really play poker yet. I have trouble identifying when i'm being exploited and when someone genuinely has me beat. Because of this, i'd rather take the easy way out and fold marginal spots. A lousy coverup for lack of ability. Whenever I try something new it seems to backfire so I go back to my cosy little way of playing.

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06-01-2009 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Fishstix
And, while i'm here, I would like some input as well....

Backstory: I'm a ~15/13 weaktight nit who, as you can see, loses money big time on non-showdowns. I guess this is fine as long as the fish keep donating money, but at some point i'm going to have to deal with this.

The way I play is like this: I only coldcall raises with strong suited hands (9T+) and pocket pairs. I don't even 3bet much with TT, JJ. I'm even flatcalling AK pf a lot, depending on opponents.

Flop: I cbet quite a lot. I try to avoid cbetting against good opponents on boards like 356tt. Getting raised is my kryptonite. Every time I get raised i'm afraid someone has a set, 2pair, or that one possible straight out there. I'm cool with stacking off against shorties in these spots, but if i'm OOP and my overpair gets raised on a weird board, i'm usually mucking.
When I'm more than 80% sure that I have the best hand, I valuebet the hell out of my hands.

Because of all this, I have an ok winrate. But the problem is that I can't really play poker yet. I have trouble identifying when i'm being exploited and when someone genuinely has me beat. Because of this, i'd rather take the easy way out and fold marginal spots. A lousy coverup for lack of ability. Whenever I try something new it seems to backfire so I go back to my cosy little way of playing.
I'm in the same boat as you.. I'm playing 2NL right now with some 5NL mixed in and I always fold marginal spots. It seems like at these stakes, big flop raises and big river bets always mean the nuts and your overpair or whatever isn't good anymore. If someone shows a bluff in one of these spots, I'll just find an easier table. From what I've read around here, playing absolute ABC poker (i.e. folding marginal spots) is ok for the micros, up to 25NL or even 50NL. My CBetting shows a profit in HEM so I don't feel too bad when I have to fold them to a raise. Just keep doing what you're doing, that's a nice steady graph.
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06-04-2009 , 09:40 AM
Hi guys. I play only heads up micro I was beating NL4 for 16PTBB/100, but when I reached NL10....

NL4:



NL10:





Is the difference between NL10 and NL4 is so big or may be i have big leaks?
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06-04-2009 , 01:26 PM
Alright, so I've played through both 2NL and 5NL. At those lower stakes, 3betting is hardly a factor. I am now at 10NL and 3betting is becoming a bit more of a factor. I re-evaluated myself last night and saw that I was calling 50% of 3bets! I was going to vomit so obviously I am going to fix this.

Also, how is aggression and WTSD% by position? Is it normal for it to go down with better position (being that we have a wider range in later position and our hands have greater showdown value in position)?

Finally, am I bleeding money out of the big blind? My SB FTS is 80% while my BB FTS is 73.7%. Thanks guys, I appreciate it.

These are my stats after April 20th (this day was a bit of a turning point for me).

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06-04-2009 , 01:30 PM
Well, I have been grinding for months, moved to 50nl on cake, did well. Started playing on FT and 30k breakeven. I feel the games are fishier and this is my first time in months
I use a HUD so I'm still working out kinks. Any one see obvious leaks?





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06-04-2009 , 05:34 PM
All Pot Limit, switched from NL about 2 months ago, and doin alright, PL FR is so fishy....

any feedback would be great






Last edited by SI-KICK; 06-04-2009 at 05:40 PM.
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06-05-2009 , 10:26 PM
i find myself making so so many mistakes throughout my sessions. being a payoff wizard, not making value bets, convincing myself that the villian has ace high instead of over pair, etc

also, as fishstix mentioned, i too dunno wat to do in marginal situations. i think i am inconsistent accordingly to mood.

besides the donk factor and actual winnings, i dont know what the other lines mean on my graph..can someone please explain?

i moved up from 20NL to 50NL around the 7k hand mark, but only bought in for 50bbs until the 13-14k hand mark, then full max buy ins. i obviously cant play deep

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06-07-2009 , 04:52 PM
Could someone please take a look at my stats and give recommendations. I’m quite new to poker, at least to serious poker. Earlier I grinded through NL5 on PS, nw playing NL10. These are my first 10k stats. Any advice welcomed.






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06-09-2009 , 02:59 AM
so ive recently begun to play some $5 + .50 full ring sngs. ive played just under 10k hands in 2 weeks now. i havent really had a problem winning at all, but im curious as to whether or not im on some sort of huge upswing, or if in fact, im really just playing well. im sure its the latter, as 10k hands is a pretty good indicator (from what ive read, anyway). heres a screenshot with all the relevant information:



so i have a few questions then..

1. im wondering when it would be a good idea to move up to $10 + 1 tables...should i build my roll a bit more? or is my current roll enough?

2. taking a look at my hands played from various positions, am i losing too much in the SB or BB? should i be defending my blinds a bit more?

3. lastly, where do i seem to be the weakest? adversely, where do i seem to be the strongest?

any input would be greatly appreciated.

thanks!
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06-12-2009 , 12:01 PM
I'm no pro, but it looks like a lot of people here are buying into stats as gospel instead of focussing on the table dynamic. I'm sure tracking stats can tell you if you're in the right ballpark, but I don't think there's a magic number anyone can aspire to in terms of "when to PFR?" Are you gonna start stealing more blinds to make your numbers adjust higher, even though no one at the table has folded their blinds in over an hour and you haven't seen a decent hand? Knowing your customer is more important than the graphs.

As for the question on bankroll vs. table limits, Chris Ferguson offered this advice when he was trying to build a bankroll from scratch:

* For cash games, he would never buy in for more than 2% of his bankroll.
* If he earned 5% of his bankroll in profit, he would quit that game.
* For tournaments he upped the buyin to 3%.

This doesn't always work so well for the micro limits, but I've tried to uphold it. At the very least, it stretches your dollar while you're learning...
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06-13-2009 , 04:23 PM
hi there, would love to hear from you guys where Ive got room for improvement. These are the last 18K. thanks in advance











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06-13-2009 , 06:05 PM
Hello,

I just moved to NL20 and it feels like I'm totally lost in there... Can someone take a look at my stats and say if there's a obvious leak or something...

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06-15-2009 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rdlr
Hello,

I just moved to NL20 and it feels like I'm totally lost in there... Can someone take a look at my stats and say if there's a obvious leak or something...


Well judging by the fact that you are making a profit in every position other than the blinds and UTG (and your profits get bigger as your position gets better) you should focus on playing more pots in position. You should defend your blinds, but it is important not to play too many hands out of the blinds as you will be out of position the whole time after the flop.
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06-16-2009 , 07:06 AM
hi guys and gals , i just wanted to introduce myself as an beginner , have started playing a couple of weeks back
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06-16-2009 , 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ak2009
hi guys and gals , i just wanted to introduce myself as an beginner , have started playing a couple of weeks back
Welcome to the forum! People are very helpful in the Beginners section so have a browse and read the stickies!
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06-16-2009 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by setauditer
Welcome to the forum! People are very helpful in the Beginners section so have a browse and read the stickies!
Highly recommended! It really does help
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06-16-2009 , 06:15 PM
Also I want to post my stats but I only have 3.4k hands, that is a small sample to get any information so should I wait until 10k? I read some where to get really accurate info you should have at least 50k right?
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06-16-2009 , 11:21 PM
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Also I want to post my stats but I only have 3.4k hands, that is a small sample to get any information so should I wait until 10k? I read some where to get really accurate info you should have at least 50k right?
Yeah prob want at least 10k hands, it will also give yourself an idea about your own play style and make more of your leaks obvious. Just play more and post stats later.
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06-17-2009 , 12:37 AM
So I made the switch from sngs back at the beginning of the year and hopped into cash games. Aware that they are two different beasts I went ahead and started at 2NL to adjust to post flop play and to get the nitty style down thats needed to beat these games, reading stickies, etc. When I made the switch I had a bankroll of $500 and was told by some members on another poker forum that I was an idiot for starting at 2NL and that I would be wasting my time and money. I went ahead and did it anyway.

So I jumped into 2NL playing 2tables adjusting to cash games and moved up to 4 tables. I spent quite some time playing when I was showing $50 profit moved up to 5NL. Started off alright at 5NL 4 tabling, moved up to 6 tables, started making a few mistakes here and there and went back down to 4 tables were I would be more focused and not playing on autopilot. Next thing ya know I went on an 8 buyin downswing. I decided to go back to 2NL and see if I was really playing that bad. Played another 10k hands there, made more $ and jumped back into 5NL. 8k hands later and I have not been able to get out of the hole and I am ready to shoot myself after looking at how many hours I have put into trying to beat this level and how much rake I have paid in the process. Everytime I start to get out of the hole I get hit with a bunch of coolers and I am right back to where I started. I'm starting to think I should have listened to these other guys cuz it seems like they were right.

So 6 months later here I am still playing 5nl and I really can't take it anymore. I am so frustrated because I am trying to play a game that some would say isn't even close to real poker and that will not help me beat higher stake games in the future and basically feel like I am wasting my time. Especially when I have a bankroll online of $650. Here are my stats.....




So after 200 something hours I am up $50 at these stakes. Makes me want to jump out the window. Looking at my VPIP at 5NL I guess I could tighten up a couple points but I'm still pretty close to my pfr. I can't really seem to find any leaks in my stats that jump right out.

My question is am I wasting time trying to beat these levels with the roll that I have? I thought it would be cool to start at the bottom and grind through the levels but now I'm starting to think it is just utterly ******ed and costing me money and my sanity. If I was to continue at this rate I might get to 25NL in 5 years. WTF should I do? It makes me sick that I can't beat this level when others plow through it in 5k hands. HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!
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06-17-2009 , 12:51 AM
all i can tell you is if you cant beat 5 NL , then you are going to have loads of trouble at higher stakes.
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06-17-2009 , 01:03 AM
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all i can tell you is if you cant beat 5 NL , then you are going to have loads of trouble at higher stakes.
I can believe that. Maybe I'm just running bad combined with variance and haven't put in enough volume. Its not like I am some drooler or maniac making ******ed moves.
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06-17-2009 , 01:08 AM
post a few interesting hands if u want
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06-17-2009 , 01:44 AM
With 650 dollars and basic poker knowledge (abc style) you wouldn't go wrong starting at the 10NL level. Also, you really can't determine whether you are a winner or not with only 15k hands at 5NL. You could stay at 5NL and continue playing until you prove you are a winner there or you could jump right into the 10NL games given you have more than enough bankroll for it. Its up to you. I would prob jump into the 10NL games if it were me. 25NL is pushing it a bit since the skill jump between 10NL and 25NL is a big bigger imo.
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06-17-2009 , 03:47 AM
I assume you're playing ful ring, because even for full ring, these are super nitty stats.
You VPIP/PFR is about 14/8 from what I see.

Yes, a nitty TAG style is OK for NL2 and NL5, but you are not a nitty TAG. You are a rock. If I'd play against you, I'd pretty much auto-fold whenever you enter a hand.
I don't know very well how NL5 full ring plays, but judging from Players/flop stats in the PS lobby, it's filled with guys just like you.

I also think you're still too passive. How do you get 14/8 stats, are you limping along a lot, completing the SB, or coldcalling a lot? The second of these is often somewhat OK, but the others: just raise instead of calling, making your stats more along the lines of 14/12.
Also, what's your VPIP on the button? You're stealing blinds only 21%, that's ridiculously low. And yes, it does make a huge difference even at NL5 -- it can easily earn you something like 2 BB/100 extra, which would be massive for you.

Look at your stats by position: if your VPIP on the button is less than 2x what it is UTG, you are not using position enough.
Have a look at the blind stealing articles in SSNL link collection sticky on the small stakes forum.
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