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05-18-2009 , 04:26 AM
Seems okay. Try stealing more blinds.
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05-18-2009 , 04:49 AM
Looks good to me. The steal % seems low, but that might be good for 2nl since a lot of the players there simply don't fold PF.
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05-18-2009 , 08:27 AM
you guys are bankroll nits, 300 to move up to NL10 when hes beating NL2 for 13 bb / 100?

its the micros guys ......... your rolled for NL10 at 200. (20 BI) and unless you go on some god awful downswing, are just cant hack it at nl10 (if your beating Nl2 for 13bb /100) im pretty sure you can hack it, you will be fine.
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05-18-2009 , 09:03 AM
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Looks good to me. The steal % seems low, but that might be good for 2nl since a lot of the players there simply don't fold PF.
Trying to steal any more than this at 2NL will cause you problems IMO. I think the steal % is fine.
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05-18-2009 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by rusvirz
Well I finally hit the $200 mark to move to 5NL...

Is this a reasonable graph? Are the stats reasonable for the level? Feedback appreciated.


It's not bad, however playing 172 hours to earn $170 is like working at the saltmines. Take some controlled stabs at 10 nl. Hell, I do admire you for playing so many hands at 2 nl; I think that there's actually very little poker to be found there.
But considering the rake, I'd say Pokerstars is the real winner.....
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05-19-2009 , 06:04 PM
My first "recorded" 10,000 hands at nl5 fullring. I've played a bit before, maybe 15K hands, but that was on my other computer when I did not have poker tracker. I usually play 6 max, and after breaking even for 12K hands there I thought Id give fullring a go. This is all 12 tabling.

Stats.



Position stats.



And graph with showdown and no-showdown winnings.



Im probably running a little good here. As you can see, no significant downswing's or break even stretches. But the results are not important to me, I just want to know how well Im playing. This is only 4 days of play, but it's still 10,000 hands. I would just like to know early on if there is anyway I can improve.

Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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05-25-2009 , 04:48 AM
I think I am in serious need of leak-plugging...

I can't seem to figure out why exactly I am losing so much. I feel like I used to be a winning player, but as you can see, things are headed down.

I feel like I am not getting paid off on my good hands, and getting played back at quite a bit when I am weak

See any glaring leaks? Am I too weak-tight? Am I giving up too often on the turn?

Am I not winning my fair share of showdowns?

Any feedback appreciated



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05-25-2009 , 05:19 AM
Position graph, apologies.

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05-25-2009 , 02:02 PM
I've been running pretty good for the first 10k hands or so but since then I've been doing real bad...

Do you guys see anything peculiar about my stats that I need to be made aware of?

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05-25-2009 , 08:58 PM
I called shove with AKo against loose aggro player with 85/20 stats over ~40 hands, am I an idiot for calling here? 2NL


Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $4.12
BB: $1.54
CO: $7.71
Hero (BTN): $4.75

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with K A
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.08, SB raises to $4.12 all in, 1 fold, Hero calls $4.04

Flop: ($8.26) 7 7 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($8.26) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($8.26) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $8.26
SB shows J J (two pair, Jacks and Sevens)
Hero mucks K A
SB wins $7.86
(Rake: $0.40)
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05-26-2009 , 03:02 PM
I know -nsdw are ok, but what is with the nosedive? I was running at 11ptbb/100 for 2NL over 23k hands, but 5nl is kicking my butt...Is my reluctance to stack off too light doing me more harm than good, or am I just running bad?




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05-28-2009 , 04:07 PM




I'm pretty happy with how my first 15k hands of cash are going just wondering if you can notice any glaring flaws

I usually play anywhere from 2-10 tables depending on how many tables i can find that have 5 other players with full stacks.

Thanks.

Last edited by rivermeacry; 05-28-2009 at 04:12 PM.
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05-28-2009 , 08:55 PM
Seems to be alot of questions and no answers. I am going to study some threads and try to answer them myself.
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05-29-2009 , 11:56 AM
Downloaded yesterday and imported my histories from the last 120 days.

If I'm reading this correctly, over 23,000 hands at Low Stakes ($2 and $5), my VPIP is 23.45, my preflop raise is 9.35, my total aggression factor is 2.97, and my BB/100 is 3.95.

From what I've read that seems okay. Right?
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05-29-2009 , 12:01 PM
The gap between your vpip and pfr is too big. Dont limp, ever.
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05-29-2009 , 01:12 PM
Agreed with too much limping. At the low end your PFR should be 50% less than your VPIP.
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05-29-2009 , 01:17 PM
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...thread-361070/

solid winrate, you should prob try to be a bit more aggressive pf though. Some of the time when you are limping/calling it will not be profitable.
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05-29-2009 , 01:23 PM
FR or short?
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05-29-2009 , 01:39 PM
hey gang. I posted this in th uNL forum with no luck. Weird. Hopefully some vets can help me here. I am struggling badly at 10nl with these weirdo swing sessions. I used to be a total nit, and have opened my game up a bit, but I think this is getting a bit on the weird side. I used to play 25nl with a solid winrate and took my BR out to travel. So starting anew, I have had to already drop down to 10nl from 25nl. I have a lot of work to do. Please rip me apart. Here is 10nl only:









All 10nl 6max on tilt FWIW.

So for the first 20k hands I felt great. Everything was going swimmingly. And then...
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05-29-2009 , 01:39 PM
op is this fullring or 6max and what stakes?
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05-29-2009 , 02:26 PM
FWIW Your stats will change at each table depending on how the dynamic is. I have had 4 tables going and been 9/9/2 at one and 29/25/6 at another. It all depends on what is going on at the table you are currently at. I think too much emphasis is placed on " optimal " stats.

Gaps between VPIP and PFR usually occur from cold calling while set mining or cold calling in LP to an over aggro fish who is never folding to a 3-bet. Limping is o.k in moderation and under the right circumstances. every situation is different that's why it is so fun.

P.s. I know we want over aggro types who never fold to a 3-bet but I am not talking about 3-betting a monster, I am talking about flatting with KJos type hands because you know it crushes their PF range.
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05-29-2009 , 04:15 PM
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FR or short?
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op is this fullring or 6max and what stakes?
6-max baby stakes. $2 buy-in and $5 buy-in. I haven't played full ring in awhile because I didn't like playing against 8 fishy opponent on whom I had no read.

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Originally Posted by Barrasso
FWIW Your stats will change at each table depending on how the dynamic is. I have had 4 tables going and been 9/9/2 at one and 29/25/6 at another. It all depends on what is going on at the table you are currently at. I think too much emphasis is placed on " optimal " stats.

Gaps between VPIP and PFR usually occur from cold calling while set mining or cold calling in LP to an over aggro fish who is never folding to a 3-bet. Limping is o.k in moderation and under the right circumstances. every situation is different that's why it is so fun.

P.s. I know we want over aggro types who never fold to a 3-bet but I am not talking about 3-betting a monster, I am talking about flatting with KJos type hands because you know it crushes their PF range.
Good post. I think you're a bit ahead of me at the moment though, I'm just trying this hud stuff out for the first time. Once I figure it out I'll be able to discuss it more.

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Agreed with too much limping. At the low end your PFR should be 50% less than your VPIP.
Good point. It definitely plays better at 5NL. The difference between 2 and 5 is huge. Surprisingly.
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05-29-2009 , 04:30 PM
pfr and vpip should be pretty similar. certainly 50% less pfr is too much that would imply 20/10 which is pretty bad. should be more like 20/18.

reason is, calling makes it harder to win the pot as u dont have the initiative. so you should try raise or fold for a while see how it works out.

if i filter my pokertracker database for "open raised", my winnings are much higher than when i cold call.
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05-29-2009 , 07:58 PM
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pfr and vpip should be pretty similar. certainly 50% less pfr is too much that would imply 20/10 which is pretty bad. should be more like 20/18.

reason is, calling makes it harder to win the pot as u dont have the initiative. so you should try raise or fold for a while see how it works out.

if i filter my pokertracker database for "open raised", my winnings are much higher than when i cold call.
True but I think at NL2 and NL5 (maybe even NL10) it is ok to run a high vpip. You can still raise a lot, like 10-15%, but it's not a bad idea to play 25/10. Players here are so passive that you can afford to limp in with decent implied odds hands, like limping SC's from utg, etc.

Also, I think that cold calling in position works well at these stakes. Speaking in very general terms here but if someone raises at NL5 6max, I will call them from the BTN or CO with low pairs, most SC's and tons of strong broad way hands like KJo, etc. So far it shows a profit.
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05-30-2009 , 11:35 AM



well obviously i'm not winning. right now i'm just going through hands, and trying to see where i'm going wrong.

i see alot of people posting graphs and was wondering if any of the more experienced players can identify anything just from looking at these graphs. I don't really know what to look for.

and it's 90% nl10

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