Hello guys i am having trouble uploading the pictures in this thread directly so i posted the links to my stats and graph, i am not sure what i am doing wrong with my pokergame at the moment. Does anyone see a big leak in my game that i should fix?

http://imgur.com/rYqJr,Ddpbn#1

http://imgur.com/rYqJr,Ddpbn#0

Hello again (maybe it should be :/ because im posting here again ;D )

I started poker a lil bit under 2 years ago. Moved up to NL5 ~August 2012. So here are my stats about a sample size of 86K. Give me some thoughts about my play. Im BreakEven over the sample size. Variance made it -10 stacks but adj. there is a +1 stack (breakeven in my opinon over 80k)

What I see myself at looking at these number is that I have no clue about playing in the blings e.g. WTF happend about about a VPIP about ~23 ( IN WORDS TWENTYTHREE PERCENT OOP (guarenteed 5/6) ! ) This is wa(sixhundred "a" following)y too much. I know that since i've made that screenshots from PT4.

Okay so I'm way to lose in the SB/BB, i have to fix that immediatly (e.g NOW). I dunno know where this behavior come from (maybe EGO ... wait a sec ... definitely EGO .. my ego sucks !) Is there a looser word for loose in the English language ? I will use that for now on ...

I've seen this leak just in time with writing this post. So my question is what else do you see ? Dont hesitate to ask any questions or PM me. If you need any further stats just ask about it

Thank you very much for you're time and youth thoughts about it

Greetings acky

acky, you play way too loose first of all. Second, you play FAR, FAR too passively, from the blinds. From other positions, it looks like you never enter a pot without being the raiser, which isn't as bad as playing passively, but you need to start looking for profitable calls and limps occasionally(i might get flamed for saying you need to limp sometimes, but it's true). It would seem that you 3-bet a LOT from EP, I'm assuming this is because you're playing tighter there thus you feel like you have the best hand more often, but theres no way in hell you should be 3-betting as much as you are. Also check out how often you're calling 3-bets. Even if you called half as many 3-bets, you'd still be calling WAY too often, from all positions. basically, your gameplay is far too wild and makes very little sense mathematically. I would suggest starting over at the foundational learning stage and relearn the game from the ground up.

@hatebreed learn to quit playing so many hands from the blinds, especially quit cold calling and/or limping so often. You should be playing half as many hands there, and most of the time raising or reraising, not just calling. Other positions are looking decent for a beginner, just work on your play from the small blind and big blind for now. Just remember, in the blinds, you will be out of position post-flop, so you want to play a pretty tight range - don't be afraid to fold a lot, it's better than cold calling out of position and putting yourself in an awkward post-flop situation.

Anyone can explain how to make this long stats screenshot, it somehow made from 2 parts?
I can't even see half of theses stats when i view my full stats at PT4 on my monitor.

Ok Im a bit ashamed lol. but yeah:

mostly 10NL zoom poker. playing all day long.



I try to be aggressive cause when not Im so often 3bet. It seems like Im paying people off and I get no action once I have a good hand :/

Should I play totally math based calling only with equity?(I still struggle to do the math while playing)

any help please before I crash? ^^
I think I stop playing for now. at this rate Im going broke..

Alright I guess I just have to go back to 5NL right?:

I thought it was no fun there but at least I didnt bleed out.

Quit calling so much. Your call 3-bet is like 75%, that's an absolutely terrible way to play. You should only flat call a 3-bet to setmine when you're in position and stack sizes are very deep (just think 12:1 or better implied odds), otherwise raise for value if you think you're ahead of villains 3-bet range, or just fold your damn hand if you're not. In the blinds, instead of calling with the hands you call with, 3-bet them instead, you really aren't defending your blinds, instead you're flat calling, ending out of position post flop, and getting outplayed because that's a bad situation to be in. What I'm saying is, widen you're 3-bet range here to like 6%, you're playing so tight it will make a huge difference in your ability to profit in the blinds. Don't be afraid to c-bet on a missed flop when defending in this way, but don't be stubborn and not fold when a solid villain commits to the pot and you don't have a hand you can commit with.

Is it possible to lose 60% of the 80/20 and 70/30 over a sample of 100k hands??

Can someone please have a look over these stats. Basically I got some really good advice last time after trying and failing to move up to 5NL. I then played a bit of PLO and experimented a bit with opening my range, playing more aggressive and working seriously on my post flop game.

So I've gone back to playing what I think is optimal for the past month, and apart from a serious tilt issue and stupid zoom poker (which i have omitted) it has gone okay. Last time people said I had a high WTSD and low AF, bit of a calling station (lol).

Anyway here they are:








Graph:




Thanks in advance!

@chairmo you're still too call heavy. You call way too much in the blinds. Work on finding more ways to raise your way into a pot, and you can probably work more 3-bets into your small and big blind. When trying to defend your blind, remember it's almost always better to either raise or fold than to cold call. You're playing more hands from both the big blind and the small blind than any other position, this should raise immediate red flags for you. Try to remember the blinds are your least profitable position because you're always out of position post flop, so you need to be playing a pretty tight range there and you should be cold calling almost 0% of the time.

Firstly, Hello to all the members here.

Im new at the forums, and pretty new aswell in the poker scene. I've played for years, mostly live, and online-poker for fun. But now i decided to take it more seriously, and put some effort in it. I've read articles, watched videos, surfed forums and tried to educate my self everyday. Im playing @PokerStars, NL5 6-max, and im 8-10 tabling. I've been running pretty bad so far, im getting cards but im not hitting anything. From the beginning i was pretty aggressive and tried to bluff alot, that wasn't very effective. Now i play with tighter range, and im bluffing less, and trying to use my position as good as i can. I love to play alot suited-connectors, and that may be one of the many leaks. Sometimes im making hero-calls aswell, and getting burnt hard, but thats poker. At the begging of my sessions, i always run badly, like vroom -3/-4BI pretty quick, and then i grind myself up, thats pretty miserable, but im playing same way whole time. I know that 17k hands is pretty small sample, but i still don't love struggling being break-even.So, if some of you could check my stats, and give me some advice how to play better, perfrom better, and what i should change in my gamestyle.

Sincerely,

okim

Stats:






Graph:


Thanks in advance!

@okim
I can see you have some leaks when you are playing from blinds (calling too much to be more specific) but thats not your problem.You are playing too many tables which leads to autopiloting and losing money is spots you shouldn't. I suggest you to play only 1 (yes, only one) till you can crush the game. Don't forget that you are still learner, not a grinder.
Pay attention to everything. Bet sizing, how villians play draw, how they play TPTK, do they play correct in correlation with their stack sizes, etc. Also, you should put players on ranges even when you are not playing the hand. When you are comfortable with doing all this on 1 table it's time to add second table and so on.
Some other tips:
>Change table(s) when it gets too nitty (for more info on table selection read HoOCG 6max)
>Wait for good tables instead of joining first available tables
>Read How to read hands at NLHM by Ed Miller
>Take notes
>Mark players nits, fish, regs with different colors
>Check how many tables they play (6+ tabling players are on autopilot most of the time)

Thats pretty much it. I have probably forgot few details but this is the strategy that helped me from going to breakeven NL2 player to winning NL10 player (still small sample tho).

Okim - try playing less tables, i think this is your main leak. Your stats tell me it looks like you have some good fundamentals down, but you're not thinking clearly and you need to slow down. Try 4-tabling and play 20k hands that way, then come back with a new graph and we'll take a look at it.

Thanks for your feedback, yes i saw that i was pretty much on auto-pilot when i had 10 tables active, and i couldn't focus that much on my game. I'll make the adjustments and follow your instructions, and after some decent sample, i'll let you know, hows its going. And again, thanks for your time.

Sincerely,

okim

Hello there everyone ! I'm pretty new to poker and I (practically) just started learning the game. I found this forum and I love it. More about me and my progress in my special thread (if anybody is interested) >> NL 2 FR - story of learning poker. I play NL2 on FTP, sometimes trying few hands at NL5 (but really just few of them atm). I started with 50$ capital via PokerStrategy many years ago and back than I played MTTs. Because I was able to make a deep run in one of th tournaments I was able to climb up to about ~130$. Now I wanna learn and play just the cash game I was sometimes down, sometimes up ... I feel I'm learning some points of the game, but I wanna take it furthe and start winning (I'm very pleased I'm not loosing .. I mean .. I guess so ).

I will be happy for all your comments and feedback !

you're not doing bad at all dissection, keep up the good work and keep studying! your stats are pretty impressive for such a beginner. the biggest leak i'm seeing comes from your post-flop game. you c-bet far too often. you're c-bet stat is ranging from 70%-90% it looks like, which is far far too often. you should try to balance your post flop game a little better. c-bet should be around 55%, especially at these stakes, most of your c-bet should be for value with just a few bluffs mixed in for balance.

@ Dissection

These are your 2NL full ring cash games stats, correct? If not, the following may not apply.

There are a number of ways your pre-flop game can be improved, right now you are leaving money on the table:

- Your stats are almost exactly the same for the first 5 positions, so the hands you play UTG are probably OK but are way too tight from MP+2. Loosen up by position. You can probably tighten UTG to opening say AQ/AK/88+ and fold everything else. Then add hands every position.

- Stop calling with good hands, you are raising like 4-5% of your hands, you can likely open the betting with every single hand you currently call with, at least once you get past UTG/UTG+1.

- Looks like you are open-limping, if so, stop it. You can overlimp with small pockets sometimes and SCs in position but not open limp.

- Your button is incredibly tight. If no-one has opened the action by the time it gets to you, you should usually make a raise with any pair/any two broadway/any suited ace/A8+/suited connectors from say 76s up. You should look for a single limper acting ahead of you and ruthlessly isolate with most of that range. With multiple limpers, overlimp with small pockets and suited connectors and isolate with most of the rest of that range (you can maybe drop the weakest portion like 98s, KTo and so on).

- Your 3bet looks really tight (QQ+/AK?), it's probably mostly good but you can consider 3-betting more lightly against maniacs, so add say JJ/AQ when some 60/40 type opens ahead of you. If you get someone who is obviously stacking off very light, add more hands and try to get it in.

- You can 3bet more from SB/BB. When someone is obviously stealing your blinds, opening say 50%, start 3betting them. Against a maniac, do it with value hands only. Against a reg type, you can make it ATC. Fight a bit more for your blinds, there's no need to give in every single time you don't have a great hand. If you end up getting owned by someone who is too aggressive for you, then find another table.

Preflop, overall you are playing 11.5 / 6.3, this is way too tight. I am a huge nit and I play around 14/11 in FR. Bet more instead of calling/limping; bet more by position and bet more from the BTN.

Postflop, I don't agree with the above poster that your Cbet is out of line. The thing is, you are betting with a 6% range. Your cbet should be very high with this range because you almost always have the best hand preflop and mostly you have the best hand postflop.

The one thing I would say is cbet less when you are out of position, so if you raise with AK and the flop is like 789 two tone or some crap like that and the villain is a calling station and you are OOP...check-fold and have done with it.

I also don't agree that your cbet should be 55%, that's too low. I don't agree that you should not cbet because only cbet for value. You can usually cbet and make regs go away.

But don't cbet calling stations on boards than connect well with the kind of junk they call with. Don't cbet calling stations out of position when you have air. And you may need to cbet a bit less if you raise a lot more hands, which you need to do.

W$SD% is probably a bit too high, I know this sounds silly but what it means you are calling or checking a little too much when you have the best hand. So villains are staying in a pot they may have folded if you'd bet again. Then showdown comes and you win but you might have gotten another call out of them.

I don't know exactly why this is, but maybe when you get a TPMK kind of hand you bet the flop but not turn or river? Or maybe you get a good hand but the board comes 3 to a flush and you don't bet again because you fear the flush? Think about betting more often in these kind of circumstances. You can make extra money by making river bets with hands that you will fold if raised. Many of your opponents are passive fish who simply won't raise without the nuts. You can bet-bet-bet with these guys and unless you are pot committed or have a monster, just fold when they raise and laugh because you didn't pay them off.

Overall, you are doing OK. You have mastered a style of play that's hard for 2NL fish to exploit. It's probably very similar to solid early tournament play, when you have 100bb and play very tight. But you need to loosen up and be more aggressive. Your win rate reflects your current approach - you are winning a small amount steadily but very slowly. Kick it up a notch and make the fish feel some pain.

@ MrBeer

Yes, these are from NL2 only. Thanks a lot for your great comment ! I will think it through !!

Hi, I am a stt grinder, but lately I've been trying to play 12tables to pump out more sng's and have less variance. Anyway, this hasn't been going well, and I got HM2 yesterday, and was just wondering what to make of this:



Does this $EV mean that I should've gone 197$ in profit, or that I should have 197$ in winnings and still have a negative NET winnings?

Help much appreciated..

So I moved to spain recently, I had spent 2012 building a nice 3k roll from 90 bucks. I had to spend 1600 of it to move here and and then since spain is a bag of wank I couldnt get online or on pokerstars for weeks so I decided to take my 2k and play the only game available live. Which was a 500nl donk table which played like 2nl 6 max.

I lost my 5 Bi pretty quickly because I had forgot how to play on games with so many stations.

I then decided to start over. I started with 8 euros and set to work at 2nl 6 max.


currently in a downswing but am sitting on 117, (134 high point)
im moving up at 150 but wow its a grind. and a mental head fu**.

Things I had to adjust to at 2nl.
dont 3 bet anyting other than AA,KK,QQ, AK AQ. (unless they are nitty regs who steal too muchm then I 3 bet all day long to catch them out later when they rely on their huds too much and 4 bet shove jj/TT)

Dont C bet light, dont even think about it. DOnt even C bet semi bluffs. Dont C bet AK or AQ.

Pot for value on flop, pit for value on turn, half pot for value on river. and FOLD TO ANY RAISE. They dont raise the river light.

TPTP is usually the nuts on dry boards, Over pairs are usually the nuts on dry boards. stack of vs most players with these on the flop. Stack off 2 pair or better vs almost everyone.

Pray for run good.

2nl is harder to beat than most people think. And its a grind.

here is my graph for my last 40 odd thousand hands, I started with 8 and now have 117 but I didnt get PTR up and running again until half way through. Had a bad last session ran 8.5bi under ev. But I think thats just my EV correcting itself after slowly runing above EV for the entire graph...

Anyone want to talk 2nl with me? I have friend who refuse to play 2nl giving me the speech "even pros cant beat 2nl" and Im kinda on my own here since I feel if you cant beat 2nl you cant beat sqat. Especially a live 500nl game that play like 2nl.



and lol at last session. Lol vairance.

Most of what you say is completely accurate- there's very little scope to bluff or engage in any creative play at NL2. That doesn't differ across sites. One thing that I would say is that you have to cbet with air- not because you think that you can grind out a profit from doing so in absolute terms (I haven't been able to do so, better players probably could), but just to try and break even when you miss the flop. On Stars, at NL2 I've cbet with no made hand and earned -12bb/100; I've not cbet when I had the opportunity and had an outturn of -119bb/100. Obviously, the board/ position/ number of villain characteristics tended to be worse with the latter, but I still think I'd have lost significant value if I hadn't cbet when I had the chance. Just do it more on Axx or Kxx dry boards, more when in position, and more when you're heads up with a villain. You won't print money doing it, but you can still easily outperform trying to check it down.

winner at 2nl, breakeven (or loser, you might call it) at 5nl, loser at 10nl. anything out of the ordinary?

I think I might need to be less aggressive, that might be the problem

Utter rubbish you cant beat NL2.

You can cbet successfully. And potting flop/turn sounds pretty historic, 70% pot on flop and turn is pretty standard, you can and should adjust betsizes depending on villain of course.