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Old 03-17-2009, 05:23 AM   #276
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Re: leaks over 22k hands at 10nl, 5n, 2nl

I don't like the new statistic section of pt3 anyone else?
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Old 03-17-2009, 09:07 AM   #277
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

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Hm isn't there something wrong that I have so negative winning with "pair"?
It's normal to have negative winnings with high card and pairs. Note that these are also situations where the board pairs, or you have 5th pair, and all sorts of hands that just are almost never best at showdown (or you have to fold early on).

2-pair and up should normally be positive over long stretches.
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Old 03-17-2009, 09:27 AM   #278
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Re: leaks over 22k hands at 10nl, 5n, 2nl

thats why i have HEM
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Old 03-17-2009, 09:35 AM   #279
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Re: leaks over 22k hands at 10nl, 5n, 2nl

Post your position stats instead they are easier to look at and comment on
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Old 03-17-2009, 09:46 AM   #280
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Re: leaks over 22k hands at 10nl, 5n, 2nl

Most everything looks standard except your cbet% is quite low. Out of the 54% of the time there's a flop after you raise pre-flop, you only cbet 21% of the time. This is roughly 40% cbet and most shoot for 60-70% iirc, of course I don't know if this is 6-max or fr and how frequent multiway pots are.
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Old 03-17-2009, 03:51 PM   #281
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Re: leaks over 22k hands at 10nl, 5n, 2nl

Here are my stats by position, I play 6 max, and my limit range is aynthing from 2nl to 10nl. I was also wondering if there was any type of leak reports I could dl for pt3. I know hem has a few of these reports that come with?

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Old 03-18-2009, 02:46 AM   #282
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

ericgg: stop posting blinds out of position. That's nearly 20% of your overall loss already.

Proably also coldcall less.
For the rest your preflop stats are OK, now get better at postflop.
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Old 03-19-2009, 12:49 PM   #283
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

I currently use vpip, pfr, aggr and hands on my hud. are there any other stats that I should have??

I am a 6max nl player, Since I am a noob, I only want the essential stats right now until I am more experienced and used to using a hud effectively.


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Old 03-19-2009, 02:50 PM   #284
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can't live without 3b%. Cbet% and fold to cb are also on my hud. I end up right clicking to get blind steal numbers a lot...
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Old 03-19-2009, 09:57 PM   #285
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

Just looking for some general feedback on my stats. This is since I decided to have a real go at Poker at the end of February. My positional sense didn't develop until early March so I'm trying real hard to get my Button stats to the top, and I'm nearly there. It was 12/10 a week or so ago, so there's a vast improvement there.

Also my aggression game on the whole, I was running 13/6/1 when I saw a few videos and read some threads which advised aggression, and since I've been averaging 17/14/4 in the last 2 weeks, so that's a big improvement too.

Any other leaks which I could have a look at plugging?







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Old 03-21-2009, 05:41 PM   #286
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

I know this question was probably already asked, but I don't want to search through 19 pages. When someone post 3 stats like this #/#/#, which stats are those?
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Old 03-21-2009, 06:29 PM   #287
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I know this question was probably already asked, but I don't want to search through 19 pages. When someone post 3 stats like this #/#/#, which stats are those?
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Old 03-21-2009, 07:33 PM   #288
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Thank you sir.
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Old 03-23-2009, 10:07 PM   #289
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progress after 8k hands (screens inc.)

i know 8k isn't a lot of hands to get that accurate of a representation of someones playing, but perhaps someone could briefly go over some of the things they can see (if its possible to draw any conclusion at all) i'm doing wrong?

heres a few screenshots of my pokertracker stats.

hand stats: http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4314/screen1qoa.jpg
winnings: http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6908/screen21z.jpg
graph: http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4360/screen3o.jpg

any help would be much appreciated!
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Old 03-23-2009, 10:13 PM   #290
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Re: progress after 8k hands (screens inc.)

I do not see anything to be gained by these images as they really don't do anything but show progress. Are you trying to identify leaks? What are you trying to do? What kind of tournaments are you playing in? MTT or SNG? What buyins? Full Ring or 6max tournaments? A picture of the positions tab could be a bit helpful here for a lot of reasons.
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Old 03-23-2009, 10:20 PM   #291
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Re: progress after 8k hands (screens inc.)

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I do not see anything to be gained by these images as they really don't do anything but show progress. Are you trying to identify leaks? What are you trying to do? What kind of tournaments are you playing in? MTT or SNG? What buyins? Full Ring or 6max tournaments? A picture of the positions tab could be a bit helpful here for a lot of reasons.
yeah im trying to identify places i clearly need to improve on. im sure im leaking out more chips than i need to be. adversely, im sure im losing some equity in some hands by not maximizing the chips i could be making.

i really dont know.

heres a screen of position stats: http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9687/screen4f.jpg

oh and i play full ring 5 dollar SnG's - usually 4 tabling, but if i feel less than 100% ill lower that to maybe 2 tables at a time.
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Old 03-23-2009, 11:24 PM   #292
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Re: progress after 8k hands (screens inc.)

Ok that picture I can work w/ some I think. As more maximizing EV that can only be done via hand posting and I think the STT forum would be +EV for that discussion. As for approaching your position play.

(Disclaimer, 8k hand samples is not massively reliable. Also tournaments kind of mess w/ this some due to different blind levels and such. In fact, a picture of PT3 w/ from your General tab that shows your VPIP/PFR info at each blind level would be a good picture but will probably take a few captures to get on. This helps evaluate how you are playing at each blind level.)

UTG(Seat 6/7): 12/3 + 21/15. It looks like you are open limping a bit too much here. Either raise or fold most of the time. You're playing pretty tight in these positions for the most part but when you are playing you're limping and that's just going to get you blown off hands too much or have you playing OOP or sandwiched post flop which really ties down your game play options w/o making a hand on the flop.

UTG+1 (Seat 5): 13/6, tight passive. Open limping but a little less here. Also see you have a 5% CCPF, I wouldn't do this hardly ever unless you have a really good hand and even then I wouldn't suggest it. I guess if someone minraises and you know that 2-3+ people are going to call along w/ something like a suited connector its not a bad idea, but this is very conditional. More raise/fold, less calling again.

MP1 (Seat 4): 15/9, getting more aggressive and range seems to be opening up more but not by much and just may be attributed to variance. I'd say this is going the right direction for a TAG play though I might try to be raising more again, but 15/9 is getting close to a pretty happy medium for me, just realize you need to be looking at the plays likely to occur after you where people will try and blow you off a hand occasionally.

MP2 (Seat 3): 15/8, about the same as above. Starting to CCPF a little bit more here and don't know how I feel about that. I just don't see a reason to CCPF but I'm really not experienced enough to elaborate on this other than I think it sets up an opportunity for a player to act after to try and squeeze the first person off and try to get you off a hand, it also is a bad play when there are stacks looking to make the most value from a short stack shove. This also seems to be the spot where you are losing the most often(other than UTG) and losing the most. If I were to guess you are probably getting a lot of squeeze plays or shoves that are making this 10% CCPF bad for you here.

Hijack/Cutoff (Seat 1/2): Tight/Aggressive, looks pretty solid with VP/PFR. Less calling than MP2 so I like the decrease and increase in raising. Win% is pretty good. You're winning money at showdown is 55%+ so when you showdown you're coming out ahead and you're only going to showdown 2/5 hands. So like ~1/2 showdowns you're winning money. I honestly have no good stuff to compare this to for me to really know if this is good/bad but its about where I am at as well. I'd say you're doing okay here.

Button: I like it. 21/18, 9%CCPF which I might be okay w/ since you can play the whole hand IP and get good implied odds off of some of your hands. The rest of the stats on this line look pretty good.

Blinds: SB is way too aggressive IMO. I do not know if this is skewed from short handed play a lot but even then you're playing 3/10 hands from this spot and raising 2/3 of those hands. I would think you could probably reduce both numbers here. Completing from the SB is gonna happen a lot from really good odds so I wouldn't be surprised to see 15-25% VPIP but 20% PFR seems very aggressive to me. You're playing a whole hand OOP and I think you may be over doing it a bit here. The only exception is when it is BvB. I think your BB is a bit better and more accurate of what I'd recommend. The only thing that confuses me is the really high win % from the blinds. The SB just doesn't seem logical to me, the BB is a bit more logical; concerning showdowns anyway.

Ok that's my basic analysis, I'm done writing now. I hope I'm not a pure dumbass and was wrong about this and giving you bad advice. So -EV my time if it is.
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Old 03-24-2009, 03:05 AM   #293
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Ok that picture I can work w/ some I think. As more maximizing EV that can only be done via hand posting and I think the STT forum would be +EV for that discussion. As for approaching your position play.

(Disclaimer, 8k hand samples is not massively reliable. Also tournaments kind of mess w/ this some due to different blind levels and such. In fact, a picture of PT3 w/ from your General tab that shows your VPIP/PFR info at each blind level would be a good picture but will probably take a few captures to get on. This helps evaluate how you are playing at each blind level.)

UTG(Seat 6/7): 12/3 + 21/15. It looks like you are open limping a bit too much here. Either raise or fold most of the time. You're playing pretty tight in these positions for the most part but when you are playing you're limping and that's just going to get you blown off hands too much or have you playing OOP or sandwiched post flop which really ties down your game play options w/o making a hand on the flop.

UTG+1 (Seat 5): 13/6, tight passive. Open limping but a little less here. Also see you have a 5% CCPF, I wouldn't do this hardly ever unless you have a really good hand and even then I wouldn't suggest it. I guess if someone minraises and you know that 2-3+ people are going to call along w/ something like a suited connector its not a bad idea, but this is very conditional. More raise/fold, less calling again.

MP1 (Seat 4): 15/9, getting more aggressive and range seems to be opening up more but not by much and just may be attributed to variance. I'd say this is going the right direction for a TAG play though I might try to be raising more again, but 15/9 is getting close to a pretty happy medium for me, just realize you need to be looking at the plays likely to occur after you where people will try and blow you off a hand occasionally.

MP2 (Seat 3): 15/8, about the same as above. Starting to CCPF a little bit more here and don't know how I feel about that. I just don't see a reason to CCPF but I'm really not experienced enough to elaborate on this other than I think it sets up an opportunity for a player to act after to try and squeeze the first person off and try to get you off a hand, it also is a bad play when there are stacks looking to make the most value from a short stack shove. This also seems to be the spot where you are losing the most often(other than UTG) and losing the most. If I were to guess you are probably getting a lot of squeeze plays or shoves that are making this 10% CCPF bad for you here.

Hijack/Cutoff (Seat 1/2): Tight/Aggressive, looks pretty solid with VP/PFR. Less calling than MP2 so I like the decrease and increase in raising. Win% is pretty good. You're winning money at showdown is 55%+ so when you showdown you're coming out ahead and you're only going to showdown 2/5 hands. So like ~1/2 showdowns you're winning money. I honestly have no good stuff to compare this to for me to really know if this is good/bad but its about where I am at as well. I'd say you're doing okay here.

Button: I like it. 21/18, 9%CCPF which I might be okay w/ since you can play the whole hand IP and get good implied odds off of some of your hands. The rest of the stats on this line look pretty good.

Blinds: SB is way too aggressive IMO. I do not know if this is skewed from short handed play a lot but even then you're playing 3/10 hands from this spot and raising 2/3 of those hands. I would think you could probably reduce both numbers here. Completing from the SB is gonna happen a lot from really good odds so I wouldn't be surprised to see 15-25% VPIP but 20% PFR seems very aggressive to me. You're playing a whole hand OOP and I think you may be over doing it a bit here. The only exception is when it is BvB. I think your BB is a bit better and more accurate of what I'd recommend. The only thing that confuses me is the really high win % from the blinds. The SB just doesn't seem logical to me, the BB is a bit more logical; concerning showdowns anyway.

Ok that's my basic analysis, I'm done writing now. I hope I'm not a pure dumbass and was wrong about this and giving you bad advice. So -EV my time if it is.
it would seem as if your critique of my play makes sense. thanks for helping!

does anyone else have an opinion on my play?
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Old 03-24-2009, 03:12 AM   #294
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Re: progress after 8k hands (screens inc.)

Get DC membership to hammer out pf. Work on your postflop game, ????, Profit.
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Old 03-24-2009, 04:24 AM   #295
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

Also, I would be very interested to see your screens for your blind levels as I think this would be pretty valuable in seeing how you are handling the various stages of the STT. So far you seem to be doing a good TAG approach preflop.
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Old 03-24-2009, 04:57 AM   #296
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Also, I would be very interested to see your screens for your blind levels as I think this would be pretty valuable in seeing how you are handling the various stages of the STT. So far you seem to be doing a good TAG approach preflop.
ok, heres the blind level screen. i dont remember playing a 6 handed game, but whatever.

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4612/screen5l.jpg
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Old 03-24-2009, 03:14 PM   #297
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Is this the correct forum to try and get accurate values to have my stats color coded for 6max nl ??
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Old 03-26-2009, 04:59 AM   #298
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Ok I'm going to be completely honest with you here, I am going to offer some general advice that is entirely situational. This stuff is generally my opinion and by no means is not a right or wrong way to play.

10/20+15/30: I would probably tighten up a bit. I generally try to run 10-15VP and like 10-12PR in these stages now. I used to run about what you do, I just think it will lead me to more trouble than it won't anymore. The counter to this is you seem to be getting good result with how you are playing it as is, so really I don't think you SHOULD change it yet. If you start to notice you're busting out earlier or struggling more this might be a possible issue in long haul. As of right now seems pretty solid.

25/50: I think at this point your VP and PR should be closer in value. I don't mind the VP, but I think you need to be calling less and raising more. That again being said, you're doing really well here and realistically I wouldn't be changing too much if it is a winning situation.

50/100: Here's where you seem to be running into a bit of trouble. Not really sure if there is much to do here. Where do you find yourself at this stage mots often? Are you in push/fold mode, are you getting into pots w/ a big stack limping some and then someone is shoving? Your range seems to tighten up and your PR closes in at this point. If you're finding yourself in push/fold mode around this time or damn near it, you may need to consider widening your range and just sticking more to shove or fold. No limping, no raising stuff, just push/fold.

75/150: Seems to be fine here. You're seeing more showdowns and winning 61% of them so I'd say you're probably taking the action against some flippers at this point and doing pretty well.

100/200+100/200+25: 26/21, I like the aggression here. You definitely kick it up a bit here and are showing pretty good results at this point. I also get the feeling this is about the spot after the money bubble is popping and there are antes out there to be gobbled up.


All in all you're showing a TAG image in your game but when it gets to the gritty part near the end you seem to widen and fire much more frequently AND you definitely become a force to fight w/ showing an AF of 5 which is your peak. I think you are doing pretty well here and a 9% ROI isn't too shabby I do believe, over a large enough sample I think you'll show solid profit.

Disclaimer, I do not play these that often myself, I observe a few others who do well in these and have a general idea of the logical way to play. I may be wrong, so for the love of god if anyone see's something wrong tell the guy before he takes me advice and takes some bad stuff, but I do feel what I have said is pretty accurate.
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Old 04-01-2009, 04:30 AM   #299
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

Hello everyone. I have been playing 10NL FR and 25NL FR. I would appreciate some advice as to where my leaks are and what I need to do in order to improve. Here are my stats. Let me know if I should post anything else. Thanks =)







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Old 04-02-2009, 06:41 AM   #300
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Hi knight

I took a quick look at your stats. I dont really play FR, i play 6max. I was going to say you were a bit of a nit but for FR im sure your ranges arent as nitty.

One thing i can tell you is that you are limping FAR FAR too much, especially in early to mid position. your stats for early to MP are like 14/4 etc. Basically if its good enough to play its good enough to raise.

Your style seems to be working alright as you have a good winrate. But i would suggest opening all PP, and drop the broadways UTG, Possibly widen your button range to compensate.

edit: what is your att to steal %

I will basically never open limp/overlimp in a pot, i will call raises but limping is a no no unless you are in the blinds multiway with a sc etc.

search for WCGrider why you suck at no limit. He done a few series on it and in one of them he explains why its bad to limp
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