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02-20-2012 , 08:31 PM
full ring. also my winnings with no showdown is a big negative, how do I bring this to a positive?

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02-20-2012 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by nismo9
My FR stats for this month
Solid stats. I still can't work out how your redline was so crazy on the graph you posted elsewhere. I'd guess it could just be that you had particular board textures and villains that contrived to make your controlled aggression pay off really well.
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02-20-2012 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by psychosniper2012
full ring. also my winnings with no showdown is a big negative, how do I bring this to a positive?

I'm no expert psychosniper, you seem like a decent tight aggressive player but you seem to be folding alot to 3bets. When you say non showdown winnings is a big negative, how big you mean. Can you post your graph?
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02-21-2012 , 04:51 AM
^^^ Agreed. One of the reasons your non-showdown winnings may be very negative (as opposed to "typically negative", like most players) is because you're only calling 10% of 3-bets, but only 4-betting 1.3% of the time you get 3-bet. That means you are folding pre-flop more than is optimal. Start calling a few more 3-bets if you have a hand that plays well on the flop, and be prepared to 4-bet with a wider range. At the moment, I'd guess it's restricted to aces and kings only. Try 4-betting with AKs sometimes, and be prepared to get it all in against anyone but an ubernit.
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02-21-2012 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
Solid stats. I still can't work out how your redline was so crazy on the graph you posted elsewhere. I'd guess it could just be that you had particular board textures and villains that contrived to make your controlled aggression pay off really well.
Me neither its a mystery. I emailed verneer all my hands and even he cant seem to work it out. Its kind of starting to annoy me haha.
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02-21-2012 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by paulok
I'm no expert psychosniper, you seem like a decent tight aggressive player but you seem to be folding alot to 3bets. When you say non showdown winnings is a big negative, how big you mean. Can you post your graph?


the last 100k hands my non showdown number is as high as my winnings, so it seems a pretty big negative..

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02-21-2012 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
^^^ Agreed. One of the reasons your non-showdown winnings may be very negative (as opposed to "typically negative", like most players) is because you're only calling 10% of 3-bets, but only 4-betting 1.3% of the time you get 3-bet. That means you are folding pre-flop more than is optimal. Start calling a few more 3-bets if you have a hand that plays well on the flop, and be prepared to 4-bet with a wider range. At the moment, I'd guess it's restricted to aces and kings only. Try 4-betting with AKs sometimes, and be prepared to get it all in against anyone but an ubernit.
my 4betting range is pretty much either AK, QQ, KK, AA... or pocket pairs/suited connecters. but the latter doesn't happen too often, I only 4bet with them if I have position or if they have high 3bet% and high fold to 4bet%

Im scared to call too many 3bets even in position against unknown players because I tend get bluffed out of the pots too easily. Im not sure what kind of hands I should be calling more 3bets with. can you list some of the hands I should be playing 3bet pots? with hands like K10, QJ, KJ etc I get into too much trouble if I flop top pair, and I dont know what to do when they 2 barrel

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02-21-2012 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by psychosniper2012
my 4betting range is pretty much either AK, QQ, KK, AA... or pocket pairs/suited connecters. but the latter doesn't happen too often, I only 4bet with them if I have position or if they have high 3bet% and high fold to 4bet%

Im scared to call too many 3bets even in position against unknown players because I tend get bluffed out of the pots too easily. Im not sure what kind of hands I should be calling more 3bets with. can you list some of the hands I should be playing 3bet pots? with hands like K10, QJ, KJ etc I get into too much trouble if I flop top pair, and I dont know what to do when they 2 barrel
I would avoid calling 3bets with dominated broadway cards and be more inclined to call with a few suited one gaps or connectors, small to mid pairs also. Don't be afraid to float on flops in position when involved in 3bet pots.

Alot of players will be barrelling with AK, AQ etc. Get involved in a few wars with regs if they are taking advantage. You have to put your foot down somewhere because you are simply folding too much. You're game seems solid but this is a big leak hence the non showdown line. Players have obviously picked up on this and you are being exploited.

Just my 2 cents, gl at the tables.
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02-21-2012 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by paulok
I would avoid calling 3bets with dominated broadway cards and be more inclined to call with a few suited one gaps or connectors, small to mid pairs also. Don't be afraid to float on flops in position when involved in 3bet pots.

Alot of players will be barrelling with AK, AQ etc. Get involved in a few wars with regs if they are taking advantage. You have to put your foot down somewhere because you are simply folding too much. You're game seems solid but this is a big leak hence the non showdown line. Players have obviously picked up on this and you are being exploited.

Just my 2 cents, gl at the tables.

I'll try calling more 3bets in position when I have something like 78s, or pocket pairs.. still just recently coming out of my nit zone of 12/10 (now 13/11) so gonna take some time to readjust
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02-21-2012 , 10:39 PM
It's probably best you keep your image but just mix it up a bit more and don't be afraid to play back mate!
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02-22-2012 , 04:38 AM
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02-22-2012 , 08:10 AM
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02-22-2012 , 02:26 PM



How are my positional stats for full ring am i playing to much in any position? Also i assume i am right in thinking that what holdem manager lists as "early" is the first three positions and "middle" is the next two?
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02-22-2012 , 06:34 PM
The image only shows how many hands you've been dealt in those positions. We need to see the VPIP figures to say if you're too tight/loose.
And, yes, HEM treats the first 3 seats as EP.
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02-23-2012 , 07:43 AM
Hi I would like to submit stats later today. I play SNG's (a mix of $0.50, $1.00 and $2.00 games), I have about 16000 hands over the 5 weeks. I am currently breaking even over these 16000 hands.
I dont play cash games very often.

Which stats should I post to get the best analysis?
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02-24-2012 , 02:45 PM




Playing SNG's 0.50c and $1. Any advice.
Stats from this month, any advice?

Not sure what stats to post but the chips lost in blinds looks bad.
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02-24-2012 , 05:20 PM
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any advice?
- Stop calling from the blinds, especially SB.
- Stop calling so much in general, try folding unless you have a pair and odds to set mine or you are prepared to raise.
- Really, stop calling from the SB, 53% WTF? Stop it now. Stop.
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02-24-2012 , 06:17 PM
I've and a bit of time on my hands over the last week or so and have put in some decent volume and here are my stats for that period. I'd really appreciate feedback on areas that need improvement. If there are any other stats you'd like to see let me know. The only reason I'm winning at all is because of these awesome forums. Thanks so much!











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02-24-2012 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Declanisfolding
Playing SNG's 0.50c and $1. Any advice.
Stats from this month, any advice?
Not sure what stats to post but the chips lost in blinds looks bad.
The number of chips is irrelevant, because as stack sizes fluctuate so much in tourneys, one big pot won late in a tourney can make up for lots of small pots lost in other tourneys.
bb/100 figures are more important, but even they don't tell the full story.

As Mr Beer noticed, your SB VPIP is ridiculous. That is the worst seat at the table, so you shouldn't be voluntarily playing hands in that seat very often. SB VPIP may get quite high if you are making it to heads up in a tourney often, but generally, you should be folding in the SB very often. You certainly shouldn't be calling. In the blinds, you should raise or fold, not call.
Your WTSD% is also very high, which indicates you are a bit of a calling station. Get that down to 30% by folding on the flop when you miss. Don't chase draws unless you are drawing to the nuts and you have a good price to chase.
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02-24-2012 , 08:31 PM
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I've and a bit of time on my hands over the last week or so and have put in some decent volume and here are my stats for that period.
I thought I'd seen you on Stars. You should find me in your database, as we've been on the same tables a few times this week. (I made a profit of 2c against you in 6 hands we were both involved in.)
You've achieved an excellent win rate over this sample. I'd be very impressed/surprised if you can sustain it, as very few of the regs on Stars can make 20bb/100 (10BB/100).
Stats look great though. 17/13 are excellent TAG stats. Indeed you're somewhat more aggressive than the typical Stars nit-tag, which is why your redline is positive on the graph. (Most weak-tight players have negative non-showdown winnings).
I can't immediately see any issues here. If you keep up at this rate, you'll be good to move up to higher stakes soon. (Especially if you keep finding villains that shove 75c w/ T8 into your AQ.)
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02-24-2012 , 09:56 PM
Thanks for the feedback Arty, I really appreciate it. I am always very wary when I am up against you

I am a bit concerned though with my big wins against players without a clue, it seems to happen fairly regularly and I think artificially inflates my win rate. Is the variance in the attached daily breakdown within normal boundaries or have I just got super lucky and had my average artificially inflated?

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02-25-2012 , 08:16 AM
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I am a bit concerned though with my big wins against players without a clue, it seems to happen fairly regularly and I think artificially inflates my win rate. Is the variance in the attached daily breakdown within normal boundaries or have I just got super lucky and had my average artificially inflated?
Playing clueless players doesn't artificially inflate your winrate. The donators are your bread and butter. Overbetting with the nuts is the best way to extract value from the stations when you find them. It may be that you've been particularly lucky in finding yourself in great situations against droolers, so don't expect every week to be as good as this one, but if you table-select carefully and stay out of the way of decent regs, you should be able to win every week. (I still lose some weeks, but often just one great session can change everything).
How are you running in All in situations? I'd guess that you must be a couple of buy-ins above EV, as your winrate is pretty extraordinary.
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02-25-2012 , 06:53 PM
Thanks again Arty. At the point that I posed yesterday I was running a fraction above All In EV over the period. Embarrassingly enough I ended up turning what was a below standard day at the point of posting the original stats (1.22BB/100) into a great day (17.51BB/100) courtesy of some positive variance you'll note on the graph



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02-26-2012 , 01:09 AM
Recently switched to 6max to see if that varient was a better match for me. Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated after my first 10 000 hands at 10NL 6max!



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03-02-2012 , 11:31 PM
I am currently 4 to 6 tabling short handed cashgames on PS. And I would like to see if my stats are anything near ok.

VPIP= 24%
PFR = 17%
PF3 = 5,6%
PFF3= 35%
Cbet= 56%
SawSD= 6%

Could anyone give me some advice on these stats? It's over 7k hands(too small of a sample perhaps?)
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