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12-19-2011 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by sketosomania
Hey..what is UO PFR i am unable to find out and what should be my opening range on the BTN and cutoff and also 3bet range on the BTN and cutoff.Should I bluff 3 bet steal and cbet when a check comes?
UO PFR is preflop raise % when first in (unopened). In late positions that is the same as stealing blinds. On the button the range should high, I would not go for less than 50%. against some opponents any two cards.
Do not worry too much about 3betting, for ex 8% is already quit high for abeginner.
When inpos vs one opponent, I cbet nearly always.
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12-20-2011 , 06:40 PM
Im pretty sure theres alot wrong in my play. I couldnt find the Position and Leak Buster by stakes, so there is about 4k nl5 hands in them, but the gameplay is mostly the same like in NL2. Also couldnt find 9max positions, but hopefully you guys can give me some advice what I should improve.

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12-20-2011 , 07:00 PM
You are too nitty, 10.8/7.5 is very tight and you can loosen up. You seem to play roughly the same UTG as MP+1, so try loosening up by postion. Steal more, 21.4% is low.
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12-21-2011 , 09:02 AM
What would be a ok VPIP and PFR then ?
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12-21-2011 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jujuldur1
What would be a ok VPIP and PFR then ?
There's no one answer, I suppose anything from 12/10 to 20/18 is pretty OK in full ring. If you start stealing a lot more from BTN/SB and bet some hands you currently fold in MP you would be playing around what I do, which is probably still a bit too nitty to be optimal.

EDIT

I mark people with your stats or tighter as "nit", what that means is if you are to my left I will steal your blinds a lot and if you are to my right I give you credit for having a good hand when you raise, so it will be harder for you to extract value from me. Lastly, when nits open UTG I like set mining a lot because they find it very hard to let go of a AA/KK overpairs, probably because it takes so long to get a dealt a hand they like.

I'm not saying that you are neccessarily vulnerable to being exploited like this and you are a long way from the nittiest 2NL players but be aware that is how you can be perceived.

Last edited by Mr Beer; 12-21-2011 at 05:46 PM.
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12-21-2011 , 05:51 PM
Oh, also, are you only 3-betting AA/KK and only stacking off with AA? If so, you can probably loosen up your 3bets quite a bit and be prepared to stack off pre with KK in most situations.
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12-26-2011 , 09:17 PM
First post, go easy.

Recently started out poker, so playing at the bottom stakes on PS. A friend told me this was the best place to start resource wise, sometimes don't know if what I'm reading is relevant, so will hopefully try post myself in the future!

Some stats;





Positional stats for 2nl:





As you can see, I've taken some shots at 5nl, without a great deal of success, although I think I'm ready to try again. I'm not sure if I'm playing bad, or I am intimidated, or a combination of both and others.

Any help or pointers appreciated, no matter how obvious they may be.

Thanks,
GG
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12-26-2011 , 11:37 PM
You have absolutely no reason to be intimdated by 5nl. If your graph accurately represents your game as of now then you are way ahead of the field at 5nl.

Go to 5nl when your in the zone and concentrate on playing as well as you possibly can.
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12-27-2011 , 08:30 PM
GreenGiant: Those stats look fairly good overall. Looks like you are gonna be way ahead of the field at 5NL as afrojojo notes. Your win rate at 2NL is indicative of running very good, though, don't expect to keep running like that. Poker is not as easy as it must have looked to you there.
On your stats: part of this I notice that what you are doing may well be good, even best, at 2NL, but will not continue to work at higher levels (say, 25NL), where the competition is tougher. My advice is aimed at that -- so may not apply entirely to 2NL/5NL.

(1) Do not open-limp. When first in, either raise or fold. (openlimping is one of these things that may work quite well at 2NL, but just isn't good vs marginally competent opponents).
(2) Your overall aggression seems quite low. Aggression is key to good postflop play, because you want to win some pots with the worst hand when you have the chance. This is also probably the most difficult part of poker, since it's easy to overdo aggression. Basically try to bet/raise most of the time when you think it's odds on you have the best hand. Also there are quite a few opportunities for successful bluffs, especially in position.
Postflop, also generally raise or fold to aggression.
The rule of thumb is that Agg Factor should be >= 3, and Agg% at >= 40%. Being significant below shows you are calling and check/folding too much.
(3) You also seem to be quite showdown bound (WTSD% of 30% is quite high). This could be just variance, because this stat is not so meaningful over 10k hands. Still combined with (2), it looks like you may be calling down with the best hand quite a lot. This is not bad vs bluff monkeys, but very often it means you could get more money out of the situations by betting/raising yourself and get called by worse (that is, bet thinner for value).
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12-28-2011 , 05:48 PM
Hello there,
These are my stats for 10NL over 16k hands.I am almost breakeven here.Seems frustrating because I've been beating 2NL for like 10.73bb/100 over 50k hands.

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12-28-2011 , 09:08 PM
far too tight sketo, open up. you need to steal and 3bet more as well.
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12-29-2011 , 01:50 PM
anything else you would suggest.?
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12-30-2011 , 11:52 AM
sketsomania:
I see this is 6-max, so yes, 13/10 is ridiculously tight.
Also, even though you are a super-nit preflop, you Aggression% on the flop is quite low, while your Agg Factor is OK (3.x). This means you are doing a lot of check-folding, which is weak-tight super nitty given your very strong preflop ranges: you are going to have the best hand most of the time, and you are folding it.
You should open up a lot more especially in cutoff and button, and look for opportunities to be more aggressive postflop.
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12-31-2011 , 11:36 PM
I already posted the same in my thread...posting again..

Please fix my NL2 & NL5


Stats:

Not sure what are relevant. but here goes.let me know if i need some more categories included. I may not even have the number of hands for a decent statistical sample




Overall :



Graphs from SB, BB




Graphs from other pos:

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01-01-2012 , 12:36 PM
dubakkur: Looks to me like you are just not running all that well at NL5, since the stats are so similar.
Some points:
(1) I think you could steal just a bit more, you're more or less at the bottom of the "correct" range
(2) Looks like you are somewhat weak-tight postflop. Your c-bet% is quite low, as are your aggression % on all streets. Considering you have a high W$SD%, it looks like you should also value bet more on the river.
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01-03-2012 , 08:53 AM
@dubakkur: Your 2NL stats look good to me. (Is this full ring or 6max, btw?)
Only thing that jumped out was the fairly low c-bet%. Try and get that to about 65% (possibly by betting a few more dry flops) and you should cruise to a double-digit winrate.
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01-05-2012 , 12:07 AM
Been having some really trouble with 2NL (nano stakes)
Ive been playing for a couple months now..and before reading this forum of course.. Had a few dumb moments where i decided to recoup my losses at 100NL..which went ok...for a short while. Im here trying to soak up as much as i can but these 1/2NL nano stakes are killing me. Ive deposited numbers times, and would hate to keep going down this route. I don't know what I'm doing wrong as my VPIP/PFR seem to be normal, as for everything else, thats over my head..





As you might see I was doing really well after about 10k hands or so..grinded up 50 in the 1/2c games but something happened and its spiralling downward. Whether I was on a heater then, or just tilting now is beyond me..but everyone keeps saying how easy these nano games are, and the less and less I perform well the dumber and dumber I feel.

PS All these hands were played after Ive read the material here..its been filtered to show 2NL 6max games. The other losses aren't shown, but those are previous to signing up to 2+2.
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01-05-2012 , 07:14 PM
RASTAFA: This looks like you are being way too showdown bound. From your stats, you are not folding when raised or bet to on flop and turn. Since you're not all that aggressive, you seem to be calling a lot, probably (my guess) because you have some strength, like a pair, and think your opponent is bluffing.
In short, you look like a calling station.
Here is some advice about playing nanostakes:
(1) People hardly ever really bluff. If they raise on the flop or turn, it's probably because they have a really big hand. So fold, unless you have a big hand yourself.
(2) People may call a lot, because they are like you, and don't like folding made hands.
(3) I just took a closer look at AggFactor and Agg%. You are just a maniac. You bet/raise an awful lot (Agg% is huge) and then call when raised (AGgFactor relatively low). That's just stupid.

So advice:
(1) STOP BLUFFING
(2) STOP CALLING
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01-05-2012 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
RASTAFA: This looks like you are being way too showdown bound. From your stats, you are not folding when raised or bet to on flop and turn. Since you're not all that aggressive, you seem to be calling a lot, probably (my guess) because you have some strength, like a pair, and think your opponent is bluffing.
In short, you look like a calling station.
Here is some advice about playing nanostakes:
(1) People hardly ever really bluff. If they raise on the flop or turn, it's probably because they have a really big hand. So fold, unless you have a big hand yourself.
(2) People may call a lot, because they are like you, and don't like folding made hands.
(3) I just took a closer look at AggFactor and Agg%. You are just a maniac. You bet/raise an awful lot (Agg% is huge) and then call when raised (AGgFactor relatively low). That's just stupid.

So advice:
(1) STOP BLUFFING
(2) STOP CALLING
Really appreciate it. So I guess the rule of thumb is fold to flop or turn bet unless I have a set or better?

3) What do you mean? I mostly bet PF? Where are you seeing this, bet/raise%? What is wrong with calling when raised? If you think you have a hand, shouldn't you do that? Or shove? Im really curious, I'm kinda dumbfounded and maybe this could really help me out if you could explain some of #3? Is calling a reraise bad? Do you only do it with absolute premium hole cards/hands?

I never know when I should fold to a bet or reraise/and the only options i really have after a reraise is to fold/call/shove. Thats why I call I guess, hand not good enough to shove, but many times feel like its too good to fold.

Finally, say I bet PF, and get donk bet by villain, i know its villain dependant but is that an automatic fold if i have pair/twopair..or are you specifically talking about folding to raises/reraises?

Last edited by RASTAFA JEMCLA; 01-05-2012 at 07:36 PM.
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01-05-2012 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
I just took a closer look at AggFactor and Agg%. You are just a maniac. You bet/raise an awful lot (Agg% is huge) and then call when raised (AGgFactor relatively low). That's just stupid.
It's great that you spotted this in his stats. Rastafa has posted a few hand histories in various BQ threads where he's often overbetting, min-raising with weak draws, and calling shoves and river bets when he's obviously way behind.
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01-05-2012 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RASTAFA JEMCLA
I never know when I should fold to a bet or reraise/and the only options i really have after a reraise is to fold/call/shove. Thats why I call I guess, hand not good enough to shove, but many times feel like its too good to fold.
You're calling way too many raises on the turn (80%!) and river (70%).
The turn and river are where someone really defines his hand. If he raises the turn, it's because he's (nearly) always beating you. The same goes for the river. You should only ever call those bets if you have the (near) nuts.
You need a bigger FOLD button.
Villain is rarely bluffing when he raises the turn. He has you beat. FOLD MORE OFTEN.
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01-06-2012 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
You're calling way too many raises on the turn (80%!) and river (70%).
The turn and river are where someone really defines his hand. If he raises the turn, it's because he's (nearly) always beating you. The same goes for the river. You should only ever call those bets if you have the (near) nuts.
You need a bigger FOLD button.
Villain is rarely bluffing when he raises the turn. He has you beat. FOLD MORE OFTEN.
LOL gotcha thanks dude. Ive definitely been working on that in my last session and it shows a bit. (obviously not enough yet)

I hope my the Agg factor is talking about post flop play and not pre..as I feel lie pre.. Im doing somewhat alright.
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01-06-2012 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RASTAFA JEMCLA
I hope my the Agg factor is talking about post flop play and not pre..as I feel lie pre.. Im doing somewhat alright.
Yes Agg factor is mainly (or is it completely, Fab?) a factor of how you play post-flop. Some aggression is good, but it must be controlled aggression; putting in bets and raises when you either have the best hand, or believe villain will fold to your bluff.
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01-06-2012 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
Yes Agg factor is mainly (or is it completely, Fab?) a factor of how you play post-flop. Some aggression is good, but it must be controlled aggression; putting in bets and raises when you either have the best hand, or believe villain will fold to your bluff.
AF (Aggression Factor) and Agg% (Aggression Freq%) are both postflop stats, both HEM and PT ignore preflop for these.
AF is the classic measure, I think Agg% is more useful and used more nowadays.

The only real difference is that AF is actually determined for a large part by how often you CALL. So Agg% is really all and only about aggression.

That is what was wrong about RASTAFA's stats: His Agg% was very high (higher than almost everybody), while his AF was lower than that of most aggressive players. This is caused by calling. ANd when you're that aggressive, you shouldn't be calling a lot.
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01-13-2012 , 06:08 PM
My stats, about 11k hands, 6max, 4NLHE. Just looking for input, leaks, etc. Pretty new to poker in general, so I'm not worried about having "perfect stats", I am just looking if anyone spots any huge red flags. Anyways, Thanks in advance.


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