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Old 11-03-2011, 08:05 AM   #2526
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

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I've been trying to tell people that for ages, there is a difference imo but whenever you mention it people pass it off and say the difference is minimal, thanks for pointing out the fgators syndrome.

I play 12 tables atm, would you recommend dropping down to say 8 and working on opening up in LP more, can't believe abc unimaginative poker doesn't work at 10nl lol
That's entirely up to you, and depends on what you want to get out of it.
For me, I am a recreational player and grinding 12 tables is too much like work and no fun.
At NL10, I would say you are there for 2 reasons:
(1) To learn
(2) To build a roll for higher levels.

If you think you can't learn, it's OK to grind max tables to build your roll as quick as you can. Since it looks like you do have something to learn, it could help to drop the number of tables and to spend also some time in reviewing and analysing your play.
Winning the maximum amount of money is not the main goal at NL10 IMO.
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Old 11-05-2011, 12:11 PM   #2527
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Hello 2p2! uNL graph/stats check itt

This is my first post on a specialized poker forum so please don't flame!

Here are my graphs and stats on PS:





Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. ty
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Old 11-05-2011, 07:31 PM   #2528
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

matrahuka: Welcome to twoplustwo.
The numbers you posted aren't enough to give any specific advice. These numbers look OK, but it's just 6 numbers or so -- not enough to work with for someone who has the basics right, as you do.
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Old 11-05-2011, 07:51 PM   #2529
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i understand ......pls tell me how long do i have to post or how many post should i make to pass to the next level? anyway i will start being a an active member
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:29 PM   #2530
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matrahuka, I think fabadam meant that you should post positional stats. Stats for EP, blinds, ...
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Old 11-06-2011, 03:44 AM   #2531
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

matrahuka, indeed, it´s not because you´re new, but because you aren´t showing enough data to make a meaningful analysis.
Look up in he thread, for example at post #2521. It's showing more different stats, especially the position breakdown. That's the sort of stuff that's needed to make a better analysis.
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Old 11-07-2011, 11:00 PM   #2532
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

Okay, I've come back to have my results reviewed again.. It's been a few weeks.. I switched to a new DB.. and I have 32k~ hands at 4nl/10nl.. Mostly 4nl..

Can someone tell me my mistakes? Also if I am still weak tight please?

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Old 11-08-2011, 04:21 AM   #2533
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

Hey all,

I've played 20K hands at uNL and doubled my starting bankroll. I'm crushing at 25bb/100. However it seems I'm running HUGE over EV? There's also a big gap between my VPIP/PFR and I seem to be opening more from EP then from MP so I def got some leaks. The gap between vpip/pfr is mainly due to calling to much in LP with sc/lpp. Any advice on this? Would it be better to fold them more often or to 3bet them more often against weak players? Tnx for your time and effort.

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Old 11-08-2011, 06:12 AM   #2534
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wangtangkiki: Your graph is that of a weak-tight player, but the stats don't really say so.
(1) Your AggFreq% numbers are quite high, but AF is quite low on turn and river. That means that you are probably calling too often, rather than folding or raising. I can't see in the stats what exactly it is you are doing, but generally there should be a lot of bet/folding on the river on these levels, because no one likes to fold to river bets and no one bluff-raises the river.
(2) You should look into defending your blinds more vs people that steal a lot.

For the rest your stats are quite tight, and good, but i t really looks like you are not playing correctly on turn and river. Maybe you are hero-calling too often, maybe you aren't value betting enough. It's tough to tell what is wrong from the stats, but it has to be something like that.
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Old 11-08-2011, 06:16 AM   #2535
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tisa: Most extreme numbers on your stats are WTSD% (very high) and W$SD% (very low). So you are going to showdown way too often, either bluffing 3 streets too often (don't do it at all at this level) or calling with losing hands. Probably mostly the first given your overall winnings.

Yes, your VPIP/PFR ratio is a bit too high, but not so much.

Also, you are way too loose specifically in early position.
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:50 PM   #2536
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The gap between vpip/pfr is mainly due to calling to much in LP with sc/lpp. Any advice on this? Would it be better to fold them more often or to 3bet them more often against weak players?
You should be able to filter your results to see if your current way of playing suited connectors is profitable. For me, I only make money from them by raising on the button to steal the blinds, but it's villain dependent. Sometimes you can stack an early position raiser by flatting on the button and hitting 2 pr vs his overpair or big ace. If a weak player limped in, but folds to raises pre-flop, then raising to get him to fold pre-flop, or to enable you to c-bet bluff on the flop might work. In my experience, it's rare to actually hit a straight or flush with SCs, as I'm often heads up against an aggressive player, so I don't get the right odds to chase the big hand even when I have a draw on the flop. If your game has multiple limpers, you can make money by limping too and using position and pot odds to play profitably.
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Old 11-08-2011, 06:04 PM   #2537
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wangtangkiki: Your graph is that of a weak-tight player, but the stats don't really say so.
(1) Your AggFreq% numbers are quite high, but AF is quite low on turn and river. That means that you are probably calling too often, rather than folding or raising. I can't see in the stats what exactly it is you are doing, but generally there should be a lot of bet/folding on the river on these levels, because no one likes to fold to river bets and no one bluff-raises the river.
(2) You should look into defending your blinds more vs people that steal a lot.

For the rest your stats are quite tight, and good, but i t really looks like you are not playing correctly on turn and river. Maybe you are hero-calling too often, maybe you aren't value betting enough. It's tough to tell what is wrong from the stats, but it has to be something like that.
Ok thank you.. I think it's calling too often.. I appreciate your help.. I have changed my style since you last reviewed my graph.. I will focus even more. I will be back after another 30k hands probably and see what is right or wrong Thanks.
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Old 11-09-2011, 03:18 PM   #2538
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I would like any input i can get. I've been trying to learn poker for about 2 years now. When i started i knew absolutely nothing.

First is my nl10 situation. I was trying this TAG thing everyone talks about, but at best i was a marginal winner, but with rakeback, and the bit of winning, i had enough to move up.





I tried to play the same way at nl20, but it started out really bad. I thought i need to concentrate on people's weaknesses and try to win more than my share. I think i did that too well lol as my red line rockets, but maybe a little too much.





I understand you can't just tell me, "do this to win". What i'm looking for is more like, "try to control this situation or that"

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Old 11-10-2011, 05:48 AM   #2539
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

rmhumr: The basic stats are those of a semi-Loose-Aggressive reg, rather than a TAG.
Overall stats are quite reasonable, but it looks like you are overdoing the aggression thing a bit, especially on later streets.
(1) AF and Agg% are very high. The "normal" TAG range is usually more around 3 to 4, rather than 5 for AF.
(2) It looks like you aren't folding a lot to turn and river raises. At the micro levels, turn and river raises are nearly always indicative of very string hands, so you should only continue with near-nuts type hands.
You should try to set some filters (I don't know PT3, it's easy in HEM) to see your results when confronted with turn and river raises. They might be quite shocking.
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Old 11-10-2011, 05:56 PM   #2540
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matrahuka: Welcome to twoplustwo.
The numbers you posted aren't enough to give any specific advice. These numbers look OK, but it's just 6 numbers or so -- not enough to work with for someone who has the basics right, as you do.






Hy i have uploaded some more stats i hope these are going to be more helpful .thank you !
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Old 11-11-2011, 12:10 AM   #2541
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2NL:

Here's the story, I finally make an initial deposit of 50$ + 10$ I had on account from freerolls. After having a decent first day I go on a downswing by making retarded plays and such so I decided to review my game a bit. Atm I think my biggest problems is making bad calls by not laying down the 2nd and 3rd nuts. Also wondering if I should be trying to fix my red line and also, if I should stop going all in on flips where i have QQ+ and AK until my br is a little higher (my ev line is 10$ over my profit line).




-my sb doesnt look to good :s (what's an average vpip for this position)




I know if I start making good lay downs I'll do better but it seems like I'm still doing something wrong...
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Old 11-11-2011, 08:21 AM   #2542
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@matrahuka: this is a bit better, though it's mostly preflop stats I see. There is not so much postflop stats data to see, so I will focus on preflop:
(1) I see you play 6-max. For that your VPIP/PFR figures are very tight.
(2) This is mostly because you are playing relatively tight in late position. Especially from the cutoff your numbers are very tight. Iso-raise and steal-raise a bit more from cutoff and button. Early position is OK.
(3) For someone who is so tight, you are not very aggressive postflop. It looks like you are mostly betting made hands. A tight player can bet much more often, espeically on the flop -- you are going to have the best hand most of the time, even if you did not hit.
I cannot see your continuation bet%, but it should be at least 70% or so for someone like you.
(4) You are also going to showdown quite a lot, and win it too. That suggest that you are check/calling down quite a lot with good hands. Try to value bet more often (thinner), it's very important to learn this.

Overall, you are doing quite well, so don't completely change your play all at once. Just gradually open up a bit in late position, and start value betting a bit more.
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Old 11-11-2011, 08:29 AM   #2543
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Mike_of_hearts:
(1) You are limping way too much preflop. The PFR/VPIP ratio should be no smaller than 75%, you are at 55% or so. Since you are quite tight, you can probably raise most of the hands you are limping now. Especially if you have limpers ahead of you; be tighter (fold) if you have to 3-bet.
(2) Steal the blinds a LOT More. If your overall steal% is less than 30% you are throwing away a lot of money.
(3) Your main problem doesn't look like it's about the laydowns, it's about being a weak-tight nit. Your W$SD% is 59% which is much too high. It's almost a certainty you are getting pushed off of the winning hand a ton. You're not showing turn and river stats, but your AF should be close to 3 there too.
It looks like you are betting the flop quite a bit, but just give up if you don't win it there unless you are very strong.
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:02 PM   #2544
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Hi guys im new there and my english is not soo great !
im a big mtt grinder and i run good since 3 months.
my poker stars user name is : Lucas Drolet

there are my OPR stats :
http://www.officialpokerrankings.com...?t=2&rc=382418

sorry im not abble to take a screenshot..

i won the big 11$ for 9.5k
second on 100$ rebuy for 11.5k
4th on the big 55$ for 4200 $
second on te big 162$ for 10k
and alot of other nice result

Lucas !
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Old 11-18-2011, 06:20 PM   #2545
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Nice wins, Lucas, but this thread isn't meant for posting brags. It's mainly for beginners to post their positional stats to see if other players can spot leaks in their game and to give advice.
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Old 11-19-2011, 01:46 AM   #2546
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i won the big 11$ for 9.5k
second on 100$ rebuy for 11.5k
4th on the big 55$ for 4200 $
second on te big 162$ for 10k
and alot of other nice result

Lucas !
I suggest you post this information in the BBV forum, that's where successful 2+2 players get together to congratulate each other and share winning strategies.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...rags-variance/
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Old 11-20-2011, 12:43 AM   #2547
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here are my stats>>>














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Old 11-20-2011, 01:05 AM   #2548
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quicksilver, are you playing 20NL? The first thing you should do is move down stakes, because you are getting killed.

Also, you need to bring your VPIP/PRF much closer together. I don't know whether you play full ring or 6-max and I don't see your pre-flop stats by position, but you need to either fold more often or raise instead of limping/calling or probably a combination of both.

Post flop you are too passive. You can profitably bet a lot more often OTF...tightening up a bit pre flop will make this easier as well.

Also you should steal the blinds more often.

This is just the really obvious stuff, I'll let someone else do a proper analysis.

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Old 11-20-2011, 01:28 AM   #2549
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nl 2 6 max mostly. I have played nl 5 and 10 . I got kill mostly at micros multitabling too many tables. nl 5 I did better but I am going to stick to nl 2 when I make another deposit until I beat that limit. I have been studying alot lately. I used to play a very exploitable game .
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Old 11-20-2011, 02:24 AM   #2550
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What is your win rate at 2NL? Say the last 10K hands? And can you show your pre-flop positional stats?
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