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10-12-2011 , 04:43 PM
Here are my player stats from Bodog, it's only around 3k hands but I have at least another 3k hands with similar stats, they aren't recorded because I reinstalled Bodog. Anyways, I was wondering what some of you think? See any chip leaks or bad consistencies? Thanks.

Hands Played: 3182

Hands Won: 24%
Showdowns Won: 59%
Flops Seen: 14%
Win % if flop seen: 56%

Your Actions:
Fold : 48%
Check 13%
Call: 9%
Bet: 15%
Raise: 14%
Re-Raise: 2%

When you fold:
Preflop: 63%
Flop: 5%
Turn: 3%
River: 1%
No Fold: 27%
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10-12-2011 , 07:12 PM
1. Insignificant sample size
2. Incomplete stats
3. Incompetent poster?
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10-12-2011 , 07:27 PM
Op have a look at the official stats thread. Don't post there what you posted here though. Aidan is correct although 3 (incompetent poster) is a little harsh seeing as it's posted in BQ.

You need a sample size of at least 10k for anything meaningful and even that is considered a tiny sample.

The stats you listed are not enough. Do you use HEM or PT?
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10-12-2011 , 10:55 PM
Yes I know these are incomplete stats, they are just on Bodogs ****ty little player tools thing and I know that's a small sample size, but like I said, I reinstalled Bodog so its not all there, but my stats were very similar, just pretend ive got 15000 hands with those stats. was just looking for a quick judging..like "you are losing at the showdown too much", no crazy schooling

and no I don't use a HUD or anything.
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10-13-2011 , 12:43 AM
Wow, while i think this is absolutely pointless, here's what I see from your stats:

When you fold:
Preflop: 63%

Does this mean your vpip is 37%?
This seems very loose.

Are you playing 6max?

Your w$sd is too high.
Your wwsf is too high.
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10-13-2011 , 02:35 AM
What site do you play on ? A lot of sites have an option to request hand historys .
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10-13-2011 , 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by dark_hatchling
Yes I know these are incomplete stats, they are just on Bodogs ****ty little player tools thing and I know that's a small sample size, but like I said, I reinstalled Bodog so its not all there, but my stats were very similar, just pretend ive got 15000 hands with those stats. was just looking for a quick judging..like "you are losing at the showdown too much", no crazy schooling

and no I don't use a HUD or anything.
Why don't you just get your stats from sharkscope or bluff database? Then post them here then you'll get the answer you want!!
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10-13-2011 , 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by YaMIzNoGouD
Who do i email to ask for my last 2k-2.5k hand history files. Long story but i need them. Thanks.
funny place to ask this email your site support?
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10-16-2011 , 09:58 AM


Im getting beat up at 10 - still. Stats + a few hands shown. Clerly struggling to get away from tptk and t2pr vs sets = biggest losers :/ Im prolly *still* cbetting too much as well. Anything else you can see?
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10-17-2011 , 04:40 AM
chad0x00:
(1) You are definitiely insufficiently position aware. You are quite loose from early position (and the SB, way too loose), and too tight on the button in particular. CO and button is where you make money, play from there.
(2) It looks like you are too showdown bound (high WTSD%, low W$SD%, bad river call efficiency). At the level you are playing, of people make big bets (20 bb and up or so), they have big hands. Just fold. Basically just stop thinking villains are bluffing the river. They don't.
(3) Insufficient aggression on turn and river (especially)
(4) Too loose from SB, really bad score there.
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10-19-2011 , 02:40 PM
So Im going to play SB more like UTG and fold a lot more. Im working on my opening range especially from CO.
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10-20-2011 , 08:43 PM
Hi everyone,

I really need some critics and comments here. I play NL$30 5 handed and after 100K hands, here are my stats. Please let me know what you think of those and tell me my obvious leaks. My winrate is quite low so I need to maka a lot of progress before I move to NL50 & NL100 (although I got the BK for it). I use holdem manager and this is what the overall report gives me. I play 8 tables at a time.


100K hand
3BB/100

VPIP 22.6%
PFR 15.4%
3bet 4.1%

Fold to 3b 77%
4bet 1.1%

wtsd 24.1%
w$sd 58.1%
w$wsf 39%

Agg fac 3.53
Flop agg 35%
Turn agg 22.7%
River agg 17.7%

Flop Cbet 71.6%
Flop Cbet succes 46.2%
Turn Cbet 36.4%
Fold to Cbet 67%
Fold to raise flop 57.6%

Steal 28%
Sb fold to steal 87%
BB fold to steal 84%

River call efficiency 2.15

By position


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If you need other stats to analyze deeper, let me know. I really appreciate your help.

Just one thing I'd like to insist on, my aggro factor is quite higher than that of most regulars is that a weakness ?

Thanks a lot in advance.

Last edited by alpacinolee; 10-20-2011 at 08:54 PM.
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10-21-2011 , 07:10 PM
alpacinolee: Some observations:
(1) You are not position aware at all. You are playing way too many hands from the early positions and way too few from cutoff and button.
(2) Overall stats indicate solid weak-tight play. Your W$WSF% is much too low, and your W$SD% is much too high! You must be folding tons of winning hands.
(3) It looks like you sort of autobet (or c-bet) any flop and then give up unless you have a hand. That becomes transparant to observant players.
(4) Overall aggr factor is good, but it's too much concentrated to the flop. You are too passive on turn and river.
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10-22-2011 , 04:03 AM
10nl fr, 4-tabling

With the exception of a horrendous lifetilt-induced downswing, I feel pretty good about my stats. I feel my positional awareness is pretty decent, and I've cut down on cold calling 3bets pf. Of course, there's always room for improvement! Suggestions appreciated! Is my AF too low?










For comparison, here are 2 of my previous accounts. I only 2-tabled on these sites, which explains the looser (2
:1 raise/call ratio play. Interesting to see that the profit at ~15k hands is roughly the same in all 3 graphs, but took different routes to get there:







This was on Lock. I think the long break-even stretch at the end was partially the result of them not accepting US players, turning it into a reg war/battle against the bots (citolindo, corntea, l0llipop, cornedbeefhash, diversdvc, etc.)





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10-22-2011 , 06:29 PM
seoulken: I've only looked at your recent stats; if you want me to read all of them pay me for your autobiography.
Your overall stats are actually quite good, as is your winrate, so you're not doing anything wrong as a whole. noting that:
(1) PFR/VPIP ratio too low, so you are limping/cold-calling too much.
(2) You are TIGHT! Given your skill, I'd say you can loosen up in all positions. From the stats it looks like you know your ranges, so just widen them a bit all around.
(3) It's kind of hard to see, but it looks like you are too passive postflop, betting only really good hands. Try to think of what your opponent has, and aim to bet them off worse hands. It's a weird from of value betting , but quite important -- you need to protect yourself against villain bluffs.
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10-24-2011 , 06:23 PM
Thanks for the observations. One quick question regarding this:

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Originally Posted by fabadam
seoulken: I've only looked at your recent stats;
(1) PFR/VPIP ratio too low, so you are limping/cold-calling too much.
I'm currently running about 16/12. Do you mean I should open it up to something more in the range of 20/12? I used to play that style, but the variance seemed to be higher.
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10-25-2011 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by seoulken
Thanks for the observations. One quick question regarding this:



I'm currently running about 16/12. Do you mean I should open it up to something more in the range of 20/12? I used to play that style, but the variance seemed to be higher.
No, I was talking about the ratio. 75% is reasonable though on the low side. 20/12 would be way too much limping20/16 would be OK too.
For full-ring styles can run from 11/9 or so to about 20/17 maybe.
For 6-max, it's from 16/13 to about 28/23.
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10-27-2011 , 08:33 PM








Hey there, would appreciate it if anyone can comment on my stats from 6 max 10NL. Thanks.
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10-28-2011 , 03:45 AM
Franziska:
(1) First of all, you playing much too loose from the blinds, trying to see flops and then giving up a lot it seems.
(2) You are also in general not position aware enough, playing relatively loose in early position and quite tight on button and cutoff.
(3) Partly because of that, you are losing a tom in non-showdown pots, with a very low W$WSF%
(4) It looks like you auto-bet just about every flop and then give up if they don't fold, only taking really good hands to showdown. Try to think more whether to c-bet a flop or not, and when to fire multiple barrels.
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10-28-2011 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
Franziska:
(1) First of all, you playing much too loose from the blinds, trying to see flops and then giving up a lot it seems.
(2) You are also in general not position aware enough, playing relatively loose in early position and quite tight on button and cutoff.
(3) Partly because of that, you are losing a tom in non-showdown pots, with a very low W$WSF%
(4) It looks like you auto-bet just about every flop and then give up if they don't fold, only taking really good hands to showdown. Try to think more whether to c-bet a flop or not, and when to fire multiple barrels.

Thank you for the advice, especially the bolded which really struck home with me. I do feel very uncomfortable playing OOP without initiative and find myself whiffing and having to check fold quite a lot. And yeah I basically only ever bet turns for value, I guess these are big things I have to work on.
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11-02-2011 , 05:45 PM
Hey guys, would appreciate some analysis of my stats at 10nl, running about b/e so dont suck majorly but theres obv something wrong.

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11-02-2011 , 07:12 PM
orangepeeleo: your graph is a classic case of FGators syndrome.
(FGators theory post, really good. That is the classic weak tight nit that plays very standerd but folds to any kind of opposition. It's kind of surprising to see this happening at NL10.
Your stats are interesting in a number of ways:
(1) your basic preflop stats are OK. You play really tight, but it's full ring so not that bad. You are position aware, steal a decent amount, hardly any 3-betting but that's OK too.
(2) Postflop you are just on the low side of the right aggressiveness range in just about every stat. You are reasonably aggressive, but the numbers still say "somewhat weak tight".
(3) Your Agg Factor numbers look pretty good, but your Agg Freq% look a bit low. That is classic weak-tight: bet, and fold when raised.
The point is: bet/fold is a very good move in many spots, but it looks like you ar overdoing things in general, playing too straightforward and predictable. (Again, amazing this can be true at NL10 now).
(3) The most amazing stat you have is the River Call Efficiency. That is amazingly high. In fact, I think you are the first person ever I have seen with a RCE that may be too high. I suspect you are calling a lot situations on the river where you should be raising, for value.

Overall: learn to think of your opponent's range for their actions, and be less paranoid about what they hold when they do not fold. You are a tight player, and odds are your value bets are still valuable even when called.
This is tricky advice, because you will need to open up postflop more. This is a recipe for variance, and straight to monkey tilt if overdone.
But, really, you are so tight. When they call you, they do not have you beat, honestly.
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11-02-2011 , 07:52 PM
Thanks for that, should be very helpful, as a comparison here are my 5nl stats, is there anything standing out to you which is making the redline and results so much different, it seems like i am playing a completely different game at 5nl but I was wondering if this was just because of a different player pool??

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11-03-2011 , 03:03 AM
orangepeeleo: Your NL5 stats are very similar. Pretty surprising that the play level appears to be so different between the two.
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11-03-2011 , 07:10 AM
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Pretty surprising that the play level appears to be so different between the two.

I've been trying to tell people that for ages, there is a difference imo but whenever you mention it people pass it off and say the difference is minimal, thanks for pointing out the fgators syndrome.

I play 12 tables atm, would you recommend dropping down to say 8 and working on opening up in LP more, can't believe abc unimaginative poker doesn't work at 10nl lol
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