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Old 02-09-2009, 10:25 PM   #176
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

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no worries. here in the beginners forum and we try and be nice and constructive.
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Old 02-09-2009, 10:30 PM   #177
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

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no worries. here in the beginners forum and we try and be nice and constructive.
My last post was edited and since you answer once more, for the sake of understanding, ill quote this post of yours instead.

I was saying that i should raise pfr more so the range Fee talks about, according to each position, should all be raisable? Or should we just cold call with the bottom of the range ( for each position ) and raise with the rest?

Regarding a "normal" and "standard" table..

I mean, i understand what he means when he layouts his starting hands for each position, but i have some doubts if, on an unraised pf hand, i should raise allways or with bottom range just call.

ps: here are the position stats. from what i can see, i play WAY too much OOP.




My stats once more, now the image will be fine i hope


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Old 02-10-2009, 07:55 AM   #178
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

Been thinking about this and i guess my main and immediate problem is playing the SB.

From what i can understand, i play too much the SB, ( 40% more or less ). Having a raise pf of 10% that means that i'm completing the SB about 30% the times i've received it.

What i think of this is that, since i've been playing 0,01 / 0,02 nl, just putting an extra 0,01 is that much.....i know chips are chips and money is money..should i think of it as chips and not looking at just an extra cent?

Furthermore, and thanks to Ozibattler , i know i need to raise more. I've looked into this and at least, and forgetting for now the sb, my pfr are where they supposed to be, from bb to button always increasing. I think this is good, right?

So i just need to raise pf more in a general way ( meaning in all positions, following this line i have ).
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Old 02-13-2009, 06:09 PM   #179
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Unhappy beginner running bad [stats + graph inside]

Hi,
I have read a lot of pokerstuff and i am very interested in it. so i decided to cash in $50
I am losing all time, everything! I my opinion i play very disciplinated, but it wont run good. I know the samplesize is only 4 k hands, but i lost more than 2/5 of my br and i dont want to go broke. the money isnt important for me, i just dont want to go broke!

i have only $30 left, so what i can do now?
i play nl2 sh on pokerstars atm.





what i can do to build my br up without the risk of going broke?
sorry for the bad english :-)
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Old 02-13-2009, 06:13 PM   #180
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Re: beginner running bad [stats + graph inside]

Looks like you're playing a little too aggressive for those limits, I'd tone it down a bit for starters.
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Old 02-13-2009, 07:53 PM   #181
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Re: beginner running bad [stats + graph inside]

Buy in for 2 dollars. That massive spike in the middle leads me to believe you're not.
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Old 02-14-2009, 08:04 AM   #182
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Re: beginner running bad [stats + graph inside]

okay, i try it with $2 buy in on fullring. maybe it will be better there.
thanks for the answers :-)
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Old 02-14-2009, 08:23 AM   #183
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Re: beginner running bad [stats + graph inside]

I can't stress how SIMPLE and TIGHT toy have to play at 2NL. FOLD if you're not sure, RAISE OTB, choose your spots wisely and play small pairs for SET VALUE. If you don't have a read on the villain, you don't want to be calling his all-ins unless you have the nuts.

DON'T BLUFF, always VALUE BET and keep TIGHT.

Good luck, I hope your luck turns around.
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Old 02-14-2009, 10:20 AM   #184
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Re: beginner running bad [stats + graph inside]

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DON'T BLUFF, always VALUE BET and keep TIGHT.

Good luck, I hope your luck turns around.
This.
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Old 02-14-2009, 10:40 AM   #185
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Re: beginner running bad [stats + graph inside]

how about preflop 4bet wit QQ and AKo ?
should i do this in this limit or only 4bet with AA,KK ?
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Old 02-14-2009, 10:50 AM   #186
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Re: beginner running bad [stats + graph inside]

Yes 4 bet both and value bet to death any board thats good to you just learn not to jam dangerous boards.
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Old 02-14-2009, 04:28 PM   #187
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Re: beginner running bad [stats + graph inside]

Also, read up about bankroll management.

Even buying in at $2, you only have 15 buy-ins, which is on the low side if you're not considerably better than your opponents.

Also, look at your graph - you're not losing all of the time by any means - it's just that you seem to have lost a lot of very large hands. This could mean bad luck, or it could mean you're getting your money in at the wrong time.

Keep learning poker strategy. Play with a big enough bankroll. Avoid tilt (statements like "I keep losing everything" are the first signs of tilt).

Also realize that there's a chance you're not a winning player yet - meaning you might need to reload. This is not a bad thing as long as you're learning all the time. By playing at the right limits and using bankroll management, you'll minimize the cost of this learning.
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Old 02-15-2009, 05:27 AM   #188
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30K hands. Help me plug my leaks

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am having a lot of non showdown issues lately.
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Old 02-15-2009, 05:41 AM   #189
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Re: 30K hands. Help me plug my leaks

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Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am having a lot of non showdown issues lately.


I think you fold too much in the blinds after you see the flop. I am too tired to be sure though I have missed my bed time by about 9hrs.


OOO crap I am sooo tired I thought I was the first one to reply........ Me going to sleep.
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Old 02-17-2009, 12:36 PM   #190
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Unhappy is this to be expected??? Holdem beginner

Been playing for a couple of months now play 6 max limit 25/50c. I'm finding it tough maintaining a profit. I've logged around 6000 hands and i'm wondering whether i'm doing something really wrong.

http://s691.photobucket.com/albums/vv272/Starscream00/

Below i've also included my stats so far.

Hands $ bb/100 vpip% pfr% 3bet% wtsd% w$sd% agg agg%

6287 -2.35 -0.15 25.1 10.0 2.8 32.9 54.5 1.78 37.3

As I'm a beginner i think i'm just unsure as what to expect, i understand that 6max does have a high variance.

Others shared experiences would be gratefully appreciated.

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Old 02-17-2009, 12:45 PM   #191
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Re: is this to be expected??? Holdem beginner

try this thread https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/22...thread-329049/

Btw you are to tight / dont raise enough and 6 k hands is nothing

As well as you have pf leaks you probably also have a lot of postflop leaks
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Old 02-17-2009, 01:10 PM   #192
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Re: is this to be expected??? Holdem beginner

Try to get vpip to like 18% and pfr close to vpip. 25/10 is horribly loose/passive.
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Old 02-17-2009, 02:43 PM   #193
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Try to get vpip to like 18% and pfr close to vpip. 25/10 is horribly loose/passive.
imo that is a horrible idea for fixed limit
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Old 02-17-2009, 02:51 PM   #194
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Re: is this to be expected??? Holdem beginner

limit is alot harder to earn in ive always heard. i played 4-5k hands few months ago and decided it wasnt for me. 12k hands later at NL and i love it. just seems easier and alot more fun for me.
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Old 02-17-2009, 04:03 PM   #195
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Re: is this to be expected??? Holdem beginner

players are pretty bad in micro LHE games imo. especially in 6max.

OP you are playing some what passively. think of raising more hands in position and 3 betting a wider range. probably barrel off a little more often. (just a little more)

stick to it for a little while longer for a bigger sample.

get your self in the micro LHE forum and peek around in their sticky.. some good material in there that was helpful for me when learning 6max LHE.

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Old 02-17-2009, 04:53 PM   #196
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Re: is this to be expected??? Holdem beginner

IIRC, in limit, especially 6-max, you should really never be cold-calling raises or limping. It really shouldn't be a part of your strat as it may be in NL, so you def shouldn't have a 15% gap between your VPIP and PFR. In other words, too passive preflop and your postflop agg is so-so.
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Old 02-17-2009, 05:42 PM   #197
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Re: is this to be expected??? Holdem beginner

Thanks for the link and the comments guys. Been reading some of the basics in the micro limit threads which are very thought provoking and got back in the saddle and played a bit more. I guess the transition from NL to limit is going to take some time especially when your table are full of players who have a vpip50+ and will call down with any two. Nice when your draws hit/big pairs hold up but they seldom believe they are beat, which makes representing a hand near impossible.

Refuse to give up just yet though.

Thanks again,

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Old 02-17-2009, 05:51 PM   #198
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Re: is this to be expected??? Holdem beginner

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they seldom believe they are beat, which makes representing a hand near impossible.

.... so..... how do you adjust for that?
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Old 02-17-2009, 06:13 PM   #199
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.... so..... how do you adjust for that?
Well other than having a hand or a big draw i guess i should not be getting involved when i've not hit the board. Trust me, i'm learning not to do do that now.

Anything you'd suggest, Cats?

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Old 02-17-2009, 06:37 PM   #200
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basically what "I think" cats is suggesting is to cut down on bluffs. especially pure bluffs.

and just bet bet bet with good hands.
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