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07-17-2009 , 09:46 AM

#376

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Filefront!!!!!!

http://www.filefront.com/upload.php

Pretty please?

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07-17-2009 , 01:14 PM

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is the vid on FT or stars?

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07-17-2009 , 01:37 PM

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chrischtian

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Originally Posted by cman24687

is the vid on FT or stars?

25NL @stars...

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07-17-2009 , 01:50 PM

#379

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Originally Posted by Timmex

if he posted his sn here think of all the little 2p2'ers wanting to try and get a little famous and sit at his table just to try and felt him so they could come back to this thread and brag about it. I bet also whichever table he was at he would have a 7+ waiting list lol.

haha wtf, this thread makes the guy a celebrity in your mind?

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07-17-2009 , 02:01 PM

#380

jackwilcox

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Originally Posted by sideout1212

haha wtf, this thread makes the guy a celebrity in your mind?

fairly sure he was being sarcastic

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07-17-2009 , 02:07 PM

#381

JuniorMontana01

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Great video, jackwilcox

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07-17-2009 , 02:24 PM

#382

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Lol that vid at the end Aces! You suck out back on him and you dont even talk about it lol and the table is going wild ;p

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07-17-2009 , 02:48 PM

#383

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Originally Posted by jackwilcox

i dont give a fishy villain credit for thinking on this sort of level.

there is a lot to do with timing tells. in this hand he check insta-called down then paused for ages on the river thinking what to do.... i dont give him credit for this because the tells contradict. why wud he not stop to think about what to do with his flush draw earlier in the hand, but then suddenly stop to think about what to do now he has hit? it doesnt make sense

I have a question and sorry I am so far behind on the thread but I just started reading this site. If I catch a flush or some other nuts or near nuts hand I don't bet quickly usually, I pause a couple seconds for the exact reasons you are laying out here. Should I ignore the possibility others might do that and just read the tell as you indicate? Do really find these timing tells to be true on average? The one I love is the insta-cbet, you gotta atleast pause long enough to make it possible you looked at the flop and processed what you have.

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07-17-2009 , 02:49 PM

#384

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fairly sure he was being sarcastic

Either way it was pretty funny. Celebrity comments aside, thanks for the thread.

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07-17-2009 , 03:03 PM

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Do really find these timing tells to be true on average? .

yea, you can spot with some players a lot of timing tells, obviously everyone is different though.

but yea... i mean most people are at their screen on a regular internet connection and acting in real-time to the hands... so if they suddenly start taking longer/ quicker than usual to act, u just have to ask why.

if some 10 tabling reg seems to act real fast on a hand, thats probably because his attention is on that table (i.e. he has a big hand).

if a 1 tabling fish starts pausing before acting then they are thinking about something which they werent thinking about before

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07-17-2009 , 03:53 PM

#386

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Originally Posted by jackwilcox

Ok so I being more of the latter, how do you know he isn't thinking about how much to value bet versus how much to bluff with? I guess the pause pause pause push is a good bluff signal and pause pause pause value bet size is a mixed signal but probably means it is a value bet?

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07-17-2009 , 04:45 PM

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like i said depends on opponent, is not like im looking purely at one hand and trying to decide....

it depends on the board texture, previous actions, and his bet sizing as to how i interpret the timing. all im saying, is that you can use it very effectively in a lot of certain spots

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07-17-2009 , 04:57 PM

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Hey like i posted before when you have Aces you suddenly get distracted the other guy had actually a set of queens then you hit your 2 outer on the river! But you dont talk about it i was roflmao irl when i saw it happening, the table also said woooow etc.

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07-17-2009 , 05:01 PM

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oh i think i remember, where we get it in on Qxx board in 3bet pot. meh, happens. i mean, neither of us played it badly so its not really a talking point, just a standard cooler if i lose, and a cooler if he loses

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07-17-2009 , 05:40 PM

#390

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Originally Posted by Pokerpingu

There is nothing special about that hand imo, no one's gonna fold an overpair in a 3bet pot 100deep.

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07-17-2009 , 05:54 PM

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cman24687

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pretty good video jack. pity you didnt film it on fulltilt though. FT is so much clearer for watching videos on.

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07-17-2009 , 05:58 PM

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No it wasnt any special but just funny imo

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07-17-2009 , 05:58 PM

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WeiJie

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loved the video ! nice job you should do second on like cman sed full tilt for the next one plz :P lol n e ways nice one man keep it up !

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07-17-2009 , 06:03 PM

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ok full tilt is cool... will try and get better quality too...

what topics do people want to see discussed on the next video?

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07-17-2009 , 06:07 PM

#395

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I really liked the video. Even though I think some of the thinking during hands is probably a little higher-level than 2NL (where I'm at), I felt like your commentary will probably help me with my post-flop play, which is where I usually struggle at.

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07-17-2009 , 06:11 PM

#396

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Originally Posted by jackwilcox

ok full tilt is cool... will try and get better quality too...

what topics do people want to see discussed on the next video?

Still dlling this video so i dunno whats on it, but any chance you could discuss 3betting light both ip and from the blinds?

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07-17-2009 , 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jackwilcox

ok full tilt is cool... will try and get better quality too...

what topics do people want to see discussed on the next video?

tips on playing optimally from the blinds would be nice. i leak so much from the blinds by either playing tight and defending too little or defending too much.

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07-17-2009 , 07:21 PM

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I want to see cold 5bet bluffing covered a little bit. Oh, and examples of very thin value that you think most of us would miss.

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07-17-2009 , 08:08 PM

#399

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Originally Posted by kaos_

I want to see cold 5bet bluffing covered a little bit

Not applicable at 25NL imo, as there's barely any 4 bet bluffing going on. The video would have to be 10 hrs long to find 1 good spot to do this.

I would like to hear your thoughts on blind on blind situations, and maybe a little bit on range balancing vs regs.

Thanks, keep up the good work!

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07-17-2009 , 08:23 PM

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I was joking about cold 5bet bluffing. It would take WAY more than 10 hours for it to come up anywhere. It requires a PFR, a 3bet, and a 4bet all in front of you.

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Originally Posted by Birkin

and maybe a little bit on range balancing vs regs.

This also isn't necessary at limits with such large player pools. Just make sure that you have no crazy leaks in very common spots and your potentially unbalanced ranges are not going to be exploited.

Though Jack could try to find places to use unconventional lines when he reads his opponents hand as one that could make a mistake vs our line.

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