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07-22-2009 , 06:44 PM
hey jack i have a question for u mate , with 3/4 limpers do u recoomend a squeeze play from the bb here. with any pp , suited connecters . i know we are out of posistion , ive just been trying it out here and their ,seems to have a huge success rate alot more than if done from the button , my guess is from the button they asume u might be squeezing but from the BB maybe they think wow he must have k-k -A-A.
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07-22-2009 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by chrischtian
jack, in your video u are talking about polarized vs. balanced 3betting and u critisized that guy for not 3betting your CO open with AJ from the blinds. but shouldn't u play with a polarized 3b range until u know that villain is calling with worse hands and then start 3betting a balanced range?
i didnt criticise. i just stated that once u find out someone has a polarized 3betting range you can exploit that if they 3bet with too many bluff hands by 4bet bluffing
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07-22-2009 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by danielk3066
hey jack i have a question for u mate , with 3/4 limpers do u recoomend a squeeze play from the bb here. with any pp , suited connecters . i know we are out of posistion , ive just been trying it out here and their ,seems to have a huge success rate alot more than if done from the button , my guess is from the button they asume u might be squeezing but from the BB maybe they think wow he must have k-k -A-A.
yea i mean your range should be stronger because you will be out of positon. i would usually only raise limpers from the blinds with ATs+ or most pairs, and KQs.

if it works for you then obviously keep doing it, but id rather play pots in position than out of position for obvious reasons
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07-22-2009 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jackwilcox
i didnt criticise. i just stated that once u find out someone has a polarized 3betting range you can exploit that if they 3bet with too many bluff hands by 4bet bluffing
very good point. thanks...
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07-23-2009 , 12:15 PM
Yeah mate, I knew you wouldn't know who it was seeing as I don't have much info on here, so I had to put my name at the end.

Looks like you have an epic thread going here. I'm going to try and digest most of it sometime. Playing zero NLHE atm, and playing purely PLO at micro stakes. Very profitable.

The video didn't work for me, which is very disappointing, I'll give it another try in a day or so.
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07-23-2009 , 03:25 PM
is a pretty meh video anyway as was my 1st attempt, will be putting up some better ones in a couple of days.

im going to be consolidating the thread into a new one afterwards as well - probably in a couple of weeks or so.
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07-23-2009 , 04:14 PM
What do you think about doing a hand replayer video? Using like Deuces Cracked's hand replayer and finding 10-15 hands that maybe share a similar decision point and talking about them?

Like... you're hand analysis is amazing but the dead-time in between hands is usually kind of dull.

Edit; and I mean by decision points is, for example, defending against BTN steals. 3bet pots OOP with initiative, 3bet pots IP without initiative. When to double barrel.
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07-23-2009 , 05:18 PM
yea i do know what you mean, when i watch any type of videos its pretty dull between hands.

i didnt know about the hand replayer thing, ill look into it for sure.

session i recorded the other day had quite a lot of cool points in tho
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07-23-2009 , 05:37 PM
hey jack i think u might remember this hand

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 197055
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

CO: $29.35
BTN: $23.95
SB: $48.15
BB: $29.55
Hero (UTG): $30.35
MP: $57.70

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with 9 9
Hero raises to $0.75, 4 folds, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.60) 3 J 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1.60) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB calls $1

River: ($3.60) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.95, BB calls $2.95
villian shows 44 i dont know why this was cutoff

If im playn a tlag type of game and double barreling and such, should i tripple barrel this board against good players? I know its normally not gonna get called down 3 streets by worse, but if i maintain a somewhat loose image it might and constant barreling and thin vbing is good for metagame right? At higher levels like nl400 do people check raise bluff alot on river when they suspect a top pair thin value bet?

I could definitly get cr bluffed off my hand at any point but who (opponent) really wants to deal with that variance? In general should i even cbet this flop or do you like the way i played it?

Last edited by str8 burnt; 07-23-2009 at 05:52 PM.
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07-23-2009 , 06:19 PM
well because u checked the flop i knew u didnt have a J. so it was well played by you really. i just levelled myself into calling.

err i wouldnt say many people do, no, but i mean when they do c/r river in this situation it would usually be a boat. nl400 isnt that advanced in terms of people turning bottom pair into bluffs tho.

i like how u played it tbh yea, i knew u either had something like 99 or total air and i just love to be a station nh

Last edited by jackwilcox; 07-23-2009 at 06:27 PM.
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07-24-2009 , 02:28 PM
hey jack what's going on? have seen u playing play(!) money badugi on stars. WTF? bored of nlh? ^^
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07-24-2009 , 02:37 PM
haha didnt realise people searched for me...

lol i was just seeing wtf it was tbh cos i never heard of it and was bored.


should have a couple of nl25 vids up tomorrow btw
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07-24-2009 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jackwilcox
...should have a couple of nl25 vids up tomorrow btw
awesome...
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07-24-2009 , 08:47 PM
thanks again for the vids, sorry to derail the thread but did you go to the UK Student Poker Championships this year?
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07-25-2009 , 12:37 AM
Finally got around to watching the video, pretty enjoyable and well done with enough talking and whatnot.

Keep em coming and we'll keep watching them.
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07-25-2009 , 12:47 AM
question about some hands in the video: I think sometimes you raised to 3x after a limper, and sometimes to 4x with a limper, why the discrepancy?
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07-25-2009 , 01:20 AM
Anyone else getting just audio on the video?
All I get is a black screen.
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07-25-2009 , 02:18 AM
you probably need a codec or something.

Use VLC media player, plays everything

windows wont play mp4's without help
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07-25-2009 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jackwilcox
haha didnt realise people searched for me...

lol i was just seeing wtf it was tbh cos i never heard of it and was bored.


should have a couple of nl25 vids up tomorrow btw
nice!
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07-25-2009 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by HeWhoRoams
question about some hands in the video: I think sometimes you raised to 3x after a limper, and sometimes to 4x with a limper, why the discrepancy?
probably due to position, i likely raised more on the button because i have the best position and wants to be bigger.

also, i think a few of my raises with hands such as 44 etc were just pot builders in the chance i flop a set, but also from the point of view that i havent invested too much for when i just have to check/fold. therefore id make it like 3x or so.

idk if i like my pot building raises with 44 in that vid btw id kinda rather just limp in the small blind or whatever than raise it up.. meh
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07-25-2009 , 03:44 PM
having a few problems uploading the video and am going out now, so will upload it tomorrow if i can get everything sorted
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07-26-2009 , 03:58 PM
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JZQLOIOJ

this should be part 1 of a 2 part session i made on stars at 25nl. theres a few pretty interesting spots i think.

i should have part 2 up tomorrow.

after that im going to start playing some nl50 and then make a couple of videos at that limit
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07-26-2009 , 04:10 PM
Are you playing a set amount of hands at each level before moving up or basing it on win rate?

Can you post your 25nl graph etc?

Looking forward to this video downloading now.

Thanks
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07-26-2009 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Hibernian0762
Are you playing a set amount of hands at each level before moving up or basing it on win rate?

i aim to play 10k hands of each limit. i already have played like 25k hands of nl50 and the following levels when i was starting out though, so im not sure how strict im going to be. the main reason for playing 10k hands of nl10 and nl25 was to try and figure out the playing style at those limits, but since i have more experience at nl50 and up, it shouldnt take me as long to adust.

Can you post your 25nl graph etc?

i can post like the last 5k hands. i switched from pt3 to hem (i use hem in this video) and it hasnt imported all of my files from pt3 for some reason. i had a massive database on pt3 so maybe it just got too big or whatever. is a shame because the 1st 5k hands i played at nl25 i actually got owned quite a bit, whereas the last 5k hands i have won a better winrate

Looking forward to this video downloading now.

Thanks
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07-26-2009 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jackwilcox
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JZQLOIOJ

this should be part 1 of a 2 part session i made on stars at 25nl. theres a few pretty interesting spots i think.

i should have part 2 up tomorrow.

after that im going to start playing some nl50 and then make a couple of videos at that limit
nice. downloading now...
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