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Old 06-19-2008, 01:23 PM   #26
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Re: The Never Buy in for less than 100BB 'rule'

Playing with a 50bb stack is far closer to gambling than with a 100bb stack. You are essentially eliminating post flop play and turning it into fit or fold. I mean you admit that, you said it becomes "a 4 street game".

And I bet for your stakes, a competent 100bb player will have a higher winrate than a 50bb player... and until this is proven wrong, I think it's fair to say that 100bb = more money.

And, again, you eliminate post flop play, or at least really simplify it, so you do miss out on learning real poker. It's just fit or fold.
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Old 06-19-2008, 02:20 PM   #27
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Re: The Never Buy in for less than 100BB 'rule'

People aren't being closed minded, 50bb stacks are designed to either get it All-In on the Turn or commit to getting it all in on the River as the pre-flop raiser or getting it All-In on the flop as the pre-flop re-raiser, while eliminating the implied odds to be called, call or move on from fit or folding the flop to floating the turn. Any one can felt TPTK and Over Pairs with a short stack, not every one can fold TPTK and an Over Pair with a deep stack; short stacking just reinforces all of the leaks a beginner should be plugging.

I'd be satisfied if the online rooms just created different tables with different minimum buy ins so the short stacks and min-buyers couldn't play with the deep stacks.

You're just a waste of a seat to us.
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Old 06-19-2008, 02:23 PM   #28
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cliffs notes at bottom for tl;dr

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You're just a waste of a seat to us.
Well sorry to burst your bubble but i'm not playing for YOUR sake.

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Any one can felt TPTK and Over Pairs with a short stack, not every one can fold TPTK and an Over Pair with a deep stack; short stacking just reinforces all of the leaks a beginner should be plugging.
A beginner can pretty easily learn that stacking of with TPTK is not a good idea as they gradually increase stack sizes from 20BB upwards as opposed to jumping into 100BB. It wasn't obvious to me at first why stacking off with TPTK isn't a good idea at TPTK at 100BB until i read PNL. until then i had to get a fuzzy grasp the hard way by donking off 100BB 10 times or so to a set miner. PNL taught me the reasoning behind why TPTK is not so good at 100BB, but i still didn't fully understand why until I played shorter.



a 4 street game includes flop play and turn play... I also don't see how it automatically becomes 'fit or fold' you can still make flop and turn bluffs. Nor do i see how it is more 'gambling' shorter stack play is lower variance for a given win rate than deep stack play so if you ask me deeper stack play is more 'gambling'.

The look back in two years and think i was bad posts are pretty silly. Who wouldn't progress after two solid years of playing??

I'm not playing 50BB stacks because i'm uncomfortable playing 100BB stacks , I played my first 40K hands with 100BB+ stacks at both FR and 6max and while i'm not oozing confidence with my full stack play, i can still easily outplay the majority of the other full stacked players at my tables (obviously at uNL this is not a major feat, but i say it just to get the point across that my reason for playing short is not because i cannot win with 100BB).

My choice to drop down to shorter stack play is simply to explore new ideas and test out a few ideas in exploitive play and how gain some intuition on short stack play and how to best counter it or reduce their advantage. I think everyone can gain something new from at least trying it for a few 1000 hands and i was simply trying to suggest that some new players could possibly benefit from starting short and gradually building up to 100BB and higher.

Note also at the moment I am not particular bothered about my win rate (As any beginner player shouldn't be) As long as my win rate isn't consistantly negative I'm perfectly willing to sacrifice a few BB to learn different styles of play and practise different strategies. I mean pretty sure most people in the beginners forum is playing uNL to learn the game so I'm surprised that people are getting worked up over possibly losing out on a few cents by playing shorter vs learning new things.


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I aim to learn how to play a wide range of stack sizes from 20BB to 200BB+ over the next few months and experiment with both optimal and fully exploitive styles of play. At which point I can then make a hopefully decently informed decision as to what style of play is best for a particular scenario. I do not care if my win rate suffers a bit while i do this, as long as i'm not spewing. And I'm simply suggesting other new players not to buy into the 100BB ONLY hype without seeing for themselves if shorter stack play is so 'bad'.

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Old 06-19-2008, 02:27 PM   #29
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Your stacksize should reflect your skill level relative to the skill level of other players on the table. Often when moving up, I'll play 40-60bb until I get my feet under me.

From a SPR perspective, it's much easier to get the pot the correct size for a push with big pair when you're playing 40bb rather than with 100bb.

However, that being said. Playing deeper is much more profitable for a solid player with a good post-flop game. All of this is explained in detail in "professional no limit holdem". Very good book.
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i suggest to rethink buyin sizes more towards the players at your table and where you are seated in relation to them.

but your skill level and comfort zone needs to be taken in to account as well.
These.

The reason I said:

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Buying in deep teaches you how to play a wider variety of poker, than just the "I have a pair, lets get the chips in the middle" game.
is that when you buy in full, you have the ability to manipulate the stack size, 3-bet without having to commit and be forced to make a pot odds call on a shove, and play speculative hands with the proper implied odds.

When you have 60bb, you're setting the stage for a lot of commitment on the flop. This is good if you're playing only strong pairs and big cards. But if you're playing the speculative hands, you've got to be getting in for cheap, and that means playing all limped pots and trying to get the person to commit the majority of the time you hit and have your hand hold up to be profitable in doing so.

Like I said, playing deeper allows you a more full range of options to play your hand than short. And you know what? It might put you in some tougher spots and force you to make tougher decisions. But guess what. This is what makes you a better poker player.
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Old 06-19-2008, 02:38 PM   #30
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Re: The Never Buy in for less than 100BB 'rule'

You can't make flop or turn semi-bluffs that don't commit yourself to the pot, therefore it's nearly impossible to make an error because once you've semi-bluffed you usually have the odds to call their shove as long as your not drawing dead. What makes flop or turn semi-bluffs interesting in deep stack games is that the bluff, and the money behind, has implications on later streets.

Short stacks play themselves, that's why short stacks are detestable.
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Old 07-11-2008, 11:28 AM   #31
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Re: The Never Buy in for less than 100BB 'rule'

"I can't stand that Barry Greenstein - he's a total fish"

Ray Zee alluded to the key point, Tommy Angelo outlined it in his book. If you're sat at a table with 2 world class players with 100bb+ and 2 fish with 30 - 60 bb what are you going to buy in for? How about if you reverse the stack sizes?

As Ray has mentioned the position of the stacks on the table is critical. If the 2 100bb stacks are to your right all other things being equal you should be more inclined to buy in for 100 and vice versa.

This i always buy in for the max stuff is mindless
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Old 07-11-2008, 11:45 AM   #32
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When a bunch of smart people(which I believe you have to be to be a winning player) agree on something, there's a reason. The easy parts...bet for value,play fit or fold, don't play too many hands and raise most of what you play...those are still easy with 100BB. And if you are a winning player you should have an advantage in the play beyond that, as you should be able to adjust to most of your opponents better than they adjust to you.

The pathetic part about this is the ratholing, though I do agree with some of it and I could understand if you did this for your first 5k or 10k hands just for feel. If a table is bad, don't sit at it. If a table is good, sit at it until it isn't. There is no reason ever to sit with 40 and leave with 75, unless there are 4 regs and one fish and you stack the fish to get over 75...which is unlikely because even fish tend to have over 40BB. Try to get over the money...I used to not top up when I took hits in my stack for some reason...deep down I think I was scared to lose the money and I didnt see the big picture
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Old 07-11-2008, 12:12 PM   #33
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Re: The Never Buy in for less than 100BB 'rule'

sometimes I wonder if the ppl at 2p2 usually suggest 100bb or gtfo is because we hate playing short stacks so much. The entire idea of shortstacking cash games is constantly looked down upon on this site. I think the biggest problem with shortstacking is that most ppl don't play it well. You are playing poker to make money.. if you are a good shortstacker, and that's what you are most comfortable doing.. then shortstack. There really is nothing wrong with doing it if that's what wins you the money.
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Old 07-11-2008, 12:17 PM   #34
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Re: The Never Buy in for less than 100BB 'rule'

I think a lot of people are misunderstanding what OP is saying. OP isn't advocating that YOU should be playing a 40-60 BB stack, but that a beginner who is learning his way should.

When starting out the primary goal isn't how many BB/100 you can make, but wheter or not that number is positive or negative. A lot of people lose money when they start out playing poker. For a beginner it might thus be helpfull to reduce the game to a simpler 4-street game and become confident playing that and then later on learn how to play a 5-street game.

A lot of people have stated that a good player will make more money with a 100 BB stack than he would with a 50 BB stack. I believe this to be completely true, but wouldn't you also asume that a bad player/ a beginner would lose more money when playing with a 100 BB stack rather than with a 50 BB stack.
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Old 07-11-2008, 12:17 PM   #35
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in 2 yrs ull look back on this post n ask urself 'jeez wtf was i thinking back then; i was so bad!"
This


also you are thinking about this from the wrong perspective, you are concerned with being put into tough situations and trying to play TP for stacks, this is the worst possible way to think about the game.

As far as stack sizes (and pretty much the rest of poker) goes, its all about your opponents, I'll let you toy around with that and try and figure it out before I respond.
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Fish tend to buy in for weird amounts ranging from 20BB-80BB

It was the OP who said this... right?
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Old 07-11-2008, 01:25 PM   #37
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also you are thinking about this from the wrong perspective, you are concerned with being put into tough situations and trying to play TP for stacks, this is the worst possible way to think about the game.
While i do enjoy half-stacking habitually and i think it has its merits apart from a learning tool, the point in this thread was that the idea of never buying in for less than 100BB is flawed especially for beginners.

I also don't see how its the worst way to think about the game.

The following are just vague estimations of what one will comfortably play for stacks,but hopefully you will get my point

For 20-40BB poker you are comfortably playing TPGK and better for stacks.
For 40-60BB you can probably play high Over pairs and better for stacks.
For ~100BB poker you are playing probably two-pair and better for stacks
for ~200BB poker you are playing proably only top two pair/sets and better for stacks.
and so on... as stack sizes increases massively even sets are not good enough to get it all in by the river etc

Therefore as the stack sizes increases, in general you require a stronger hand to be considered 'good enough' to play for stacks. This basic point at least should be obvious to most new players (tho it wasn't immediately obvious to me but maybe i'm just slow ), but what definately isn't immediately obvious is: (amoung other things)
1) what stack sizes are are best for what hands.
2) how should one play hands that aren't good enough to play for stacks
3) how to deal with players with various stack sizes in a game (i cold called medium pocket pairs trying to set mine vs short stacks and folded to their shoves every time an over card hit)

Sure you could donk off a load of buyins learning the hardway playing 100BB+ poker, or you could follow slightly vague online advise that says 'don't overvalue TPTK its not the nuts' But the best way to learn what stack sizes play best with certain hands and to learn how to handle players who play with smaller stack sizes is to play these stack sizes yourself. And what better time to do this than as a beginner, you aren't giving up much money (if any) since a beginner often isn't good enough to crush 100BB poker right way anyway. Also it can save the beginner a lot of money and prevent them getting overwhelmed with difficult decisions, that may seem standard to many but to a beginner is a lot to deal with.

The primary point i'm advocating is that new players learn to play with ALL stack sizes and this includes everything from 20BB poker to 200BB+ poker. After putting in lots of hands over this entire range the beginner will have a better understanding of how stack sizes affect the game and can then focus on their deep stack game (or short game if they don't like playing deep)The secondary point is that always buying in for max isn't necessarily the most profitably choice (especially for weaker players) and by playing various stack sizes you can intuitively tell which stack sizes will be more suited to a certain game.

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It was the OP who said this... right?
I suspect you have a point you would like to make? or shall i infer that you are suggesting i'm being a hypocrite by on one hand suggesting beginners buy in for less than 100BB but on the other hand say that fish buy in for 20-80BB's?
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Old 07-11-2008, 01:32 PM   #38
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I don't care whether you're a hypocrite or not.


I think you can figure out the point... Fish buy in for stack sizes between 20-80BB ... and that's your new master plan... and the majority who teach the 100BB guide are wrong.
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Old 07-11-2008, 02:37 PM   #39
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I don't care whether you're a hypocrite or not.


I think you can figure out the point... Fish buy in for stack sizes between 20-80BB ... and that's your new master plan... and the majority who teach the 100BB guide are wrong.


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3) this staack is often enough to just about cover the majority of fish. Fish tend to buy in for weird amounts ranging from 20BB-80BB or buy in for 100BB and don't reload so end up with mid stacks.
The point is you still can cover or nearly cover the majority of fish playing a midstack game anyway. A fish is defined by their ability (or lack of) to play poker, NOT by their stack size. (and it can often work in your favour against people who automatically think you are a clueless fish when you don't buy in for full)

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I personally hate when i see someone post 'never buy in for less than 100BB' or 'always reload' to beginners. Some people learn (in) different ways and I (find) restricting the game to a 40BB stack size and gradually expanding the scope of the game has worked for me.
Kind of silly for me to quote myself but i shall do so since you either didn't read my OP or are misunderstanding me.

I Did not say that 100BB is 'wrong', i simply said that it may not be the best way for everyone to learn the game, and even for those who aren't pure beginners, there are still things to be learnt from playing short for a while that will help your full stack game and that those who want to practise playing with less than 100BB stacks sohuld not feel bullied into buying in for full because of the never buy in for less than 100BB rule that seems to get shouted at everyone who dares not to do so. I played 100BB+ poker for my first 25 - 30K hands or so and still learnt a LOT playing shorter stacks for a while that have now helped my 100BB+ poker game tremendously.
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Old 07-11-2008, 02:59 PM   #40
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Re: The Never Buy in for less than 100BB 'rule'

This is ridiculous, Luna is clearly making a valid point and the unimaginative "always buy in for 100bb crowd" are arguing the toss as they always do.
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Old 07-11-2008, 03:25 PM   #41
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Advice to beginners to always buy in as deep as possible is at best counterproductive and at worst malicious.

You don't learn piano best by starting with the Rach 3, plunking it out note by note.

You don't learn no-limit poker best by starting out learning all different effective stack sizes, preflop play, flop play, turn play, and river play, ALL AT ONCE. Much better is to focus on learning simple cases well and branch out to more difficult cases.

In virtually every discipline you start out learning the basics and move on to more complex knowledge as you master the basics. Yet in poker, a million experts will swear that the only way to learn NLHE is by trying to learn everything at once.

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This topic's been talked to death but hopefully I've learned to express my position succinctly. Ed Miller's blog has a great deal more on both theory and praxis of playing shorter stacks.
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Old 07-11-2008, 03:32 PM   #42
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When a bunch of smart people(which I believe you have to be to be a winning player) agree on something, there's a reason.
Two or three years ago, any post on 2+2 suggesting that any online poker sites might be rigged brought a slew of derisive and dismissive replies. After all, the airtight argument went, no site could possibly be so stupid as to kill the golden goose of legal, honest online poker.

I'd even imagine a "bunch of smart people" shared that view. Sometimes questioning conventional wisdom makes a lot of sense.

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Old 05-09-2009, 01:49 PM   #43
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Advice to beginners to always buy in as deep as possible is at best counterproductive and at worst malicious.

You don't learn piano best by starting with the Rach 3, plunking it out note by note.

You don't learn no-limit poker best by starting out learning all different effective stack sizes, preflop play, flop play, turn play, and river play, ALL AT ONCE. Much better is to focus on learning simple cases well and branch out to more difficult cases.

In virtually every discipline you start out learning the basics and move on to more complex knowledge as you master the basics. Yet in poker, a million experts will swear that the only way to learn NLHE is by trying to learn everything at once.

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This topic's been talked to death but hopefully I've learned to express my position succinctly. Ed Miller's blog has a great deal more on both theory and praxis of playing shorter stacks.

Actually, virtually everyone on this site tells new NLHE players to start at the micro stakes, in order to learn the basics, and to NOT do more advanced things like bluffing (aside from cbets), floating or 3betting light until they have the basics down.

I think that it's important (and one of the BASICS) to start learning how to adjust to different players and stacksizes, and I think a really bad way of doing this is reducing the variety of stacksizes you'll be experiencing. Buying in deep teaches you to play deep short and mid but more importantly makes you adjust betwwen them.
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Old 05-09-2009, 03:08 PM   #44
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lol ... way to bring up a 10month old post.

I'm curious if Luna still thinks the same way.
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Old 05-09-2009, 03:32 PM   #45
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Re: The Never Buy in for less than 100BB 'rule'

really good post - i'm a fan of buying in for 100bb but i agree with many of your points.

at the end of the day, your not a short stacking scummy, and have really evaluated the effectivness of your play relative to stack sizes and decided whats advantageous to your style - i think that shows you have much more intelligence than anyone who will flame you for not buying in for 100bb.

personnally, i disagree. i want to have everyone on my table covered (or as close as i can) and i like my suited connectors too much to profitably short stack.

but, that's just my style, yours clearly differs.
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Re: The Never Buy in for less than 100BB 'rule'

Resurrecttionnnnn...

This post is still good though. I think it's possible to make an article for new players out of this, despite some controversy surrounding it.

That said, I've lately found 130-150bb stacks to be the most interesting to play in. Sick 4bet dynamics.

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i like my suited connectors too much to profitably short stack.
btw, it is still possible to play suited connectors profitably with a lower effective stack size; you just can't play it for implied odds strictly, which makes it a lot harder to play when you're not allowed to just c/f whenever you hit mid pair bad kicker and gets bet into.
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Old 05-09-2009, 04:07 PM   #47
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hmm, I'm intrested to see if LunaEqualsLuna still uses this theory, are if he fullstacks now when he buys in all the time.
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Old 05-09-2009, 04:12 PM   #48
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Re: The Never Buy in for less than 100BB 'rule'

She's alluded to this post again recently, but I am not sure.
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Old 05-09-2009, 04:13 PM   #49
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Re: The Never Buy in for less than 100BB 'rule'

This post has nothing to do with what Luna does now. I would think that Luna is confident in his skill now and are buying in for 100 bb.

The point is that a beginner/bad player would be better of buying in for less untill he/she gains an advantage over the rest of the table. Also as mentioned is that 100 bb is an akward stacksize, and 70 bb will allow to play a game were you get the money in on the turn, which eliminates some of the difficoult river descisions.
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Old 05-09-2009, 04:40 PM   #50
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I think buying in short stacked is just like those Tiny stacking fishes. 1st because. Your saying that you can shove and not worrying about the people behind you with AA. They definately will call you if they have the right hands.

Basically buying in short stacked is kind of like an insurance for you? Correct me if I'm wrong

It makes you more confident when it comes to TPTK but when someone hits a set and you make that crazy bet/ shove. Or you make crazy bet and they shove over you short stacked are you able to fold it? If you are then be my guest and buy in short but if not play with a fullstack makes you more aware of your money... It makes me more aware. Example:

I have $7 stack at a 10NL

vs Fishy that has $3.8

Ok preflop we both invested .40

You hit TPTK you bet something insane let's say errrh $1.5 or even $1

He shoves over you... giving you the mentality that he's trying to steal your bet.

You're like what a fish call it. Boom he has some weird ass 2 pair

Happened to me loads of times. I've gotten beat by trip 6s because someone decided to call a 6x BB raise with J6 lol.... TWICE both times he had ****EN J6 and flopped trips. But I got ALL my money back with 1 hand because I kept reloading :P
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