Lol at calling, rat-holing, shortstacking, hud-using 'unethical' or 'immoral'.
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You logic is flawed because it is based on the assumption that you should be getting all-in with every winning hand.
well if I have what stands to most likely be the winning hand and weaker hands are likely to call given stack sizes I want to get all the money in... maybe thats just me.
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Ratholers change the fairness of the game by making it impossible for people to win money back from them.
That would be the case if they played one game of poker, won and never ever returned to poker again. Obviously this is not so.
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Ratholing is unethical. It is really just as simple as that.
Thats just your opinion, simple as that. Some people think it is some people think it isn't. Noone really cares that you are others think it's unethical. I certainly don't
If you feel better about yourself because you are more ethical than the ratholers than good for you I guess.
i don't shortstack or rathole, but I definitely wouldn't give a crap whether I was thought of as unethical if I did. Why would I, this is poker and we are on a poker forum, it isn't MySpace or facebook, I'm not looking to accumulate a 10,000 friends list, doesn't bother me one bit if people disagree with me. I created this thread because I thought there were people who could benefit from it...
What I think is more unethical is pressuring a newbie to poker who is uncomfortable playing with a full stack and losing money to continue playing a style he is uncomfortable with when there is an alternative that is frowned upon just because random players on this forum think it is unethical and they get flamed for thinking of buying in short or if they make threads for it. I'm not even advocating shortstacking, but buying in shorter. That is not the same as shortstacking.
Shortstackers and ratholers are playing within the rules. If you don't like that, then try and pressure the poker companies to change the rules, if you still don't get the results you want then live with it or find a new game with rules that you like... simple.
Last edited by LunaEqualsLuna; 07-17-2009 at 08:55 PM.