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07-20-2021 , 01:37 PM
Hi,

These are my results so far since I started playing again. I wanted to check if I fully understand the graph so that I can gauge how I'm doing.

From what I understand, the orange all-in EV line is what the blue line should converge too eventually. Anytime the blue line is over the orange line, that means I'm winning "more money than I should" in showdowns. Likewise, any time the blue line is below the orange line, I'm winning "less money than I should" at showdowns.

So if my understanding is right, then I should have won $40 more than I have so far due to showdown equity and am currently having an unlucky streak?

EDIT: for some reason the image won't appear when I try to insert the image, so the link is here.

https://imgur.com/a/fOFVQsU
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07-20-2021 , 01:50 PM
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07-20-2021 , 02:05 PM
Red = money won (or lost) without showdown
Blue = money won (or lost) with showdown

Green = red + blue (total earnings/losses)

Yellow/orange = green line adjusted for all in EV

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Can't really make too many conclusions from a small sample graph, but basically you're winning in non-showdown and losing in showdown.

This could mean a bunch of different things without also taking into consideration a variety of stats, but it's likely you are some combination of aggressive and/or calling too much (potentially).

Again, nothing too strategy specific can be really gained by looking at this graph.
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07-20-2021 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Red = money won (or lost) without showdown
Blue = money won (or lost) with showdown

Green = red + blue (total earnings/losses)

Yellow/orange = green line adjusted for all in EV

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Can't really make too many conclusions from a small sample graph, but basically you're winning in non-showdown and losing in showdown.

This could mean a bunch of different things without also taking into consideration a variety of stats, but it's likely you are some combination of aggressive and/or calling too much (potentially).

Again, nothing too strategy specific can be really gained by looking at this graph.
Yeah you are right that I am relatively aggressive and call too much. I wasn't trying to use the graph for strategy advice though since I know it doesn't pick up a lot of information.

Basically I wanted to know where my green line would be if the money I won was exactly the money I was expected to win in my showdowns. I thought that would be RED + ORANGE, but you are saying it's just ORANGE, so I should actually be losing money because I'm getting my money in bad too much?
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07-20-2021 , 06:39 PM
Yes, you are currently running above EV. If you ran at EV you would be losing right now.

Yellow/orange line = EV line. That is essentially your green line adjusted for all-in EV situations.

Example:

You get it in preflop for $100 with AA vs KK in a 0 rake environment and you win. In this hypothetical situation here are what your 4 lines would show:

1. Red line remains stationary because this is all in preflop and goes to showdown

2. Blue line goes up $100 because you won $100 at showdown

3. Green line also goes up $100 because you won $100

4. Orange line is your equity which in this case AA vs KK has ~82% equity, so this line would go up $82

No matter what the outcome in this hypothetical situation you can't run "at EV", because you either win $100 (above EV) or lose $100 (below EV). I hope this example explains it well enough for you.
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07-21-2021 , 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Yes, you are currently running above EV. If you ran at EV you would be losing right now.

Yellow/orange line = EV line. That is essentially your green line adjusted for all-in EV situations.

Example:

You get it in preflop for $100 with AA vs KK in a 0 rake environment and you win. In this hypothetical situation here are what your 4 lines would show:

1. Red line remains stationary because this is all in preflop and goes to showdown

2. Blue line goes up $100 because you won $100 at showdown

3. Green line also goes up $100 because you won $100

4. Orange line is your equity which in this case AA vs KK has ~82% equity, so this line would go up $82

No matter what the outcome in this hypothetical situation you can't run "at EV", because you either win $100 (above EV) or lose $100 (below EV). I hope this example explains it well enough for you.
Yes that makes sense now, thank you.
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07-21-2021 , 10:25 AM
So, if my orange line is above my green line, i'm playing well, but runing bad?
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07-21-2021 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by brucerjwayne
So, if my orange line is above my green line, i'm playing well, but runing bad?
I believe so yes, but you would only know over a large sample of hands. My orange line means I should be losing money, however, it doesn't tell me if I've been in a downswing, or, playing badly. I will only know that if my orange line is going down consistently over 100k hands say. Since I've only played 15k, it could just be a downswing.

To give you an simple example. I could get KK, and be up against AA five times in a row. My orange line will go down because I'm expected to lose money playing KK vs AA, but the orange line doesn't tell me that I was unlucky to run into AA with KK five times in a row, that would be a downswing. I have in fact ran into AA with KK about 3 times during that 15k hands, and I have not had AA vs KK at all yet.

I hope that makes sense.
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07-21-2021 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by brucerjwayne
So, if my orange line is above my green line, i'm playing well, but runing bad?
There's more to running good or bad than all-in situations.
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