Hello,

My first winning money chart in micro stakes MTTs was Jonathan Little one , then , since i subscribed to Upswing Poker i've decided to use the charts there because it would be a waste of money, but there are 2 of them !

If you're a person who is absolutly confident in his charts , can you show them to me so i try to understand the logic/make some cross checking ?

For example one thing that scares me , the basic MTT chart raise stuff like 72s BTN , while people call a lot in SB and BB , thus denying me equity (the advanced chart seems more normal but it contains far way less info ).

Or the fact that SB only 3bet/fold vs BU in basic chart while it seems more normal in advanced one .


Thank you!

PS : I live in France so sorry if i dont answer immediatly .


You can feel free to explain me to construct my own charts , as people call a lot i find very little success like raising Q2s BU .

Pretty sure raising 72s on the BTN is always a mistake ...
Maybe not HU, dunno?

On the SB that's another story.

Don't just blindly use charts, learn to understand why they do what they do and learn to adjust from there.
Charts are not perfect anyway, against some opponents you will make more by opening wider, against others you will make more by opening looser.

I don't know if it's allowed to post screens from it so i don't post , but i definitely confirms you that the basic MTT chart has 72s open in BU ( the advanced does not ) , and no 72s in SB

Long times ago i have bought flopzilla , if anyone could explain me the logic from there i could definitely understand better "Why this hand"

Telling us how they describe the charts might give us a clue as to why they're different, we can't just guess

It seems for the advanced charts that they have used a solver .

This being said i'm pretty sad they don't give any explanation on why this hand .

Anyways forget about upswing , i just wanna find other charts people use .

I agree with all of this apart from raising with 72s on the BTN is always a mistake. 1 example is if you got 10x+ the amount of chips of all the opponents in the hand I would be willing to punt with it. I learnt that from harringtons book on tournaments. Donked quite a few players out of tournaments using this rule.

Theory of poker is a must read for any poker player. Haven't read the NLH version. Modern poker theory I have read a bit and getting the paperback copy shortly and that has charts in it if your interested in memorizing charts.

It would still be a -EV open.

You do understand that tournaments are a game of variance and having chips to enable you to ride the wave of good variance allowing you to go deep more often is +EV.

It's not the only way of how to win in tournaments however. You can do fine without playing like this.

A example of a good tournament player would be stu unger who rode the varience train mutiple times. Terrible cash game poker player though. Simply in tournaments you run out of time to lose all your chips back since the tournament ends. In cash games however that's a different story unless you quit when your miles ahead in chips and come back the next day with a smaller stack. No wonder taking chips of the table and sometimes even quiting when your ahead in cash games is frowned upon. It's +EV to do so.

You do realise that is factored into what Yeodan's saying?

everything is format and stage dependent - without that info any discussion is meaningless

there are some rare situations where open jamming atc is the correct move

I'm going to reconsider my 72s button raising strategy.

While I normally agree with the things you post, MTTs are very different from cash and 72s is certainly a +EV open from the button in certain game conditions and that’s not a player dependent exploit vs the villains in the blinds. Against average players opening wider is even more profitable because of the tendency to overfold in the blinds but that’s beside the point.

There are certain game conditions that allow you to open damn near 100% of your range due to ICM factors as well as stack sizes, kind of like what WannaBeLag said but his reasoning was slightly off.

You’re not trying to ride the positive variance wave, you’re taking advantage of the fact that a singular chip is worth less to you then it is to the big blind who has 10x less chips than you do. The value of one chip to him is worth more than the value of one chip to you, so he cannot call as much. Factor this in with rapidly increasing prizes at the end stage of a final table and you enter a situation where you can open much wider then normal, and by much wider I mean at the very least any two suited cards.

Phillip, I have seen Upswings advanced tourney ranges. Their chart that comes in the app you download on your phone is not great because it does not factor in stack sizes. The advanced ranges do factor in the effective stack size. While it is not perfect because it cannot factor in ICM, it is a great starting point.

I don’t play tournaments regularly, but I have heard ICMizer is very good for studying ranges that occur around bubbles/large pay ladder increases.

Good luck to you all at the tables.