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MTT tourney 6th hand. Did I play this wrong? MTT tourney 6th hand. Did I play this wrong?
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09-07-2017 , 08:00 PM
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PokerStars - 40/80 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 123.75 BB
BTN: 162.44 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
SB: 110.17 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
BB: 158.37 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG: 133.37 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 8

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) 7 6 4
BB bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold

Turn: (15.5 BB, 2 players) 5
BB bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

River: (25.5 BB, 2 players) 2
BB bets 15 BB, Hero raises to 112.75 BB and is all-in

My initial thought on the river is I have the 2nd best possible hand on the board and I can stack a smaller straight, set, 2 pair. I only lose to a flush.. so I push all in. -EV play?


Spoiler:

BB calls 97.75 BB

Hero shows 9 8 (Straight, Nine High)
(Pre 27%, Flop 24%, Turn 0%)
BB shows 9 J (Flush, Jack High)
(Pre 73%, Flop 76%, Turn 100%)
BB wins 251 BB

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09-07-2017 , 08:23 PM
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You do not have the second best possible hand. You have the second best type of hand, but there are a very large number of flush combos that beat you.

With a four straighted board, he isn't likely raising you on the river with anything that can't beat an 8 high straight. You either have the same hand, or he has a flush. Their are more flush combos out there than 89 combos. Fold and live to fight another day.
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09-07-2017 , 08:27 PM
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Really fold a 15BB bet on the river? Not even call with a 9 high straight?
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09-07-2017 , 08:42 PM
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Really fold a 15BB bet on the river? Not even call with a 9 high straight?
What does he have in his range that you are beating? On a sopping wet board, against aggression, what do you think the liklihood is that he is bluffing with air? He likely is flat calling with an 8 high straight. I don't see him taking the line he did with anything but either 89 or a flush. And there are alot more flush combos out there than 89 combos.

Unless this is a very low buy in rebuy tournament where everyone is playing very wide and loose to double up early, this is a fold.
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09-08-2017 , 03:17 AM
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Either call or make a much smaller raise otr. I probably just call which is a bit nitty but he's shown aggression throughout the hand and will have a flush often enough to render shoving otr a mistake. When you shove you open up the possibility for villain to fold the sets in his range. Definitely don't fold to the river bet.
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09-08-2017 , 05:20 AM
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This is never a fold but given the fact that it is very difficult for him to call a raise with worse hands just call the river.
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09-08-2017 , 03:19 PM
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[QUOTE=noak;52811517
My initial thought on the river is I have the 2nd best possible hand on the board and I can stack a smaller straight, set, 2 pair. I only lose to a flush.. so I push all in. -EV play?

QUOTE]

2nd best possible hand is 8 4

You have like the 13th best possible hand.
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09-08-2017 , 03:25 PM
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[QUOTE=Kurn, son of Mogh;52815585]
Quote:
Originally Posted by noak;52811517
My initial thought on the river is I have the 2nd best possible hand on the board and I can stack a smaller straight, set, 2 pair. I only lose to a flush.. so I push all in. -EV play?

QUOTE

2nd best possible hand is 8 4

You have like the 13th best possible hand.
37th best hand
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09-08-2017 , 03:27 PM
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What does he have in his range that you are beating? On a sopping wet board, against aggression, what do you think the liklihood is that he is bluffing with air? He likely is flat calling with an 8 high straight. I don't see him taking the line he did with anything but either 89 or a flush. And there are alot more flush combos out there than 89 combos.

Unless this is a very low buy in rebuy tournament where everyone is playing very wide and loose to double up early, this is a fold.
Sorry, misread the action. Thought villain shived. Yes, call the river bet, don't raise it
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09-08-2017 , 03:35 PM
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[QUOTE=SpewingIsMyMove;52815614]
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37th best hand
I'm not going by card combos, in this case A x (for example) is one hand for all values of x.
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09-08-2017 , 04:01 PM
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I would just call the river and not bet, especially at low stakes but at high stakes fold to nits and call loose aggressive players
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09-09-2017 , 11:02 AM
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Was there any particular reason for opening 3bb pre with 98o in the CO?

River is just call and never a raise. By shoving you completely value-own yourself, because you can't beat any of the 30+ combos of flushes, and villain won't call with a hand you beat.
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09-12-2017 , 05:52 AM
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its a fold pre
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