Hi

Where can I learn opening ranges with varying stack sizes/position, its easy enough to find opening ranges for full ring cash but for tournament play where you have these same positions but you also have 20bb all the way up to 100+ is there anywhere i can find strategy at different stack depths and also maybe accounting for ante's as well

I think you didn't get any responses because there isn't really much material out there for 20 to 100 bb tourney play. The lack of information is due to the vast spectrum of situations you'll face; every single tourney situation is different not just because of your stack size, but because of other players stack sizes (even those not in the hand, or even those on different tables), the tendencies of your opponents, bubble stuff, antes(includes varying numbers of opponents at your table; less opponents = smaller pots; full table = bigger pots), as well as some external factors(players swap action; players cross book; last longer pools happen; chops happen).

Now with all that going on, can you see why there is no easy link to click? Bummer I know, but this is one of the reasons why tourney play will likely be one of the most profitable formats for a long time.

That said, there are certain things that you should focus on when deciding to fold or raise preflop: Having cash game opening ranges based on position memorized is the starting point(hint, the first hand of the tourney is almost exactly analogous to cash game play in an ev sense without significant reads; from there it just gets more and more hairy).

Imagine the margin that separates +ev open raise and -ev open raise as a variable depending on all of the above mumbo jumbo. Think of how you either stand to gain ev or lose ev with the marginal hands:

a) tight opponents, high icm pressure, big antes = raise many hands that would be considered poor raises in a cash game vs strong opponents.

b) loose aggressive opponents, low icm pressure, no antes = raise much fewer hands than would be considered good raises in a cash game vs strong opponents.

These are the extremes, every tourney situation will feature factors somewhere on the spectrum in between these extremes.

So before we discuss actual hands to fold or raise, does this all make sense to you?

Partial answer: When effective stacks are big and the bubble/prize jumps are far away, I think cash ranges do the job just fine!

I disagree with this somewhat. In the last 18 months or so, several training sites have produced courses replete with literally hundreds of pre-flop charts for various stack sizes.
Unfortunately for beginners, the best tournament strategy courses are very expensive. See Bencb's 'Raise Your Edge' and Petrangelo's course on Upswing for perhaps the most highly regarded examples. The latter was $999 last time I checked, and it's common to see prices like $99 just for "solutions" to playing 20bb deep.

I naturally agree with you about tourney spots being situational. Some of the more thorough training courses go deeply into those factors (ICM etc), however.

Definitely not.

Like Arty said, there are a bunch of resources out there now, but most are unfortunately pretty expensive. You might be able to find some stuff on a cheaper site like RedChip, but it won't be a structured course like BenCB content for example.

First hand of a 1,000-men full-ring MTT. 100BB stacks. 150 places paid.

Please explain me how the preflop ranges are different than in a cash game.

Rake.

I asked about "how" not "why"? The point is, the difference is too tiny to affect it significantly. There are difference, but since this is a "beginner question", cash ranges do just fine as an approximation.

Or do you mean that I should open a range like, from UTG, 88+, ATs+, AJo+, KTs+, KQo, rake?

At the start they're pretty much identical, and, for at least the first couple of levels, an MTT should play very similar to cash, with the caveat that your opponents will barrel and bluff more often.

Once you get past the first couple of levels, you'll have to play more agro post flop than in a cash game since MTTs are all about chip accumulation.

This is absolutely not true. Ranges in mtts are much looser than in cash, open sizes are (and should be) much smaller, and when antes come in that difference grows a ton. It's not about chip accumulation.

That used to be the "common wisdom" (and it was more or less how I played the early stages of tourneys for years, and to some extent still do - I'm still too nitty to crush MTTs), but - as with most "common sense" ideas about poker strategy - it turned out to be quite wrong.
The facts that no rake is taken from each pot, and there are usually quite big antes, mean that optimal tourney ranges are considerably wider. Some of the GTO solutions include flatting (or 3-betting) with hands I would never consider playing in a (highly-raked) cash game.

I don't disagree with some of this. I definitely open smaller in MTTs than I do in cash. When I (rarely) play NL cash live it's 1/2 and 5x + 1 per limper is standard.

Tournaments I play both live and online and clearly I open 2.5x or less.

Don't know what you mean that MTTs are not about chip accumulation though.

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I didn't say "MTTs aren't about chip accumulation," I was responding to your idea (that people bet and barrel more because mtts are about chip accumulation). As far as I know, you don't play more aggro post "because mtts are about chip accumulation." That's just not a driving factor behind postflop mtt strategy, and if anything to my understanding the opposite is often a much more relevant factor (namely, that doubling up actually doesn't double the value of your stack, so in general we should be somewhat risk-averse).

Incidentally, by any reasonable definition of "chip accumulation," I would say that cash games are also "about chip accumulation" in the same sense mtts are. Poker is, in general, a game where accumulating chips is the goal.

Exactly this. Another huge factor is that rake-free games incentivize smaller open sizes with wider ranges, which also means bb can defend way wider than in cash - bb can defend way way wider vs 2x or 2.2x than vs 3x (or the 4-5x you see live), especially with antes in the mix.

OK, I see what you're saying. You don't take every +EV situation for major portions of your stack because chips lost hurt more than chips won help. I agree with that. Not what I meant so maybe I expressed it badly.

I’m on a plane right now will respond individually when I land and read over but I have actually join pokercoaching.com by Jonathan Little seems like a cool guy, up to date and not too expensive what u guys think? Maybe I would be better with bencb, I just like how Jonathan gives gto ranges, and how to deviate when exploitablitly is realised etc and how live differs from online etc he seems very knowledgeable

And I guess my situation was more toward when I’m short stacked compared to the field and not itm or at the bubble

GTO Solution is for "Cash game with antes".

Wouldn't it be necessary to adjust for the bubble factor?

Even at the early stages, this ICM tax is estimated to be about 1.1

For example GTO antes EP has you raising A2s+ , but if you look at the actual EV of the hand its pennies on the dollar and after dividing pot by 1.1, these are now negative EV hands.

Thoughts?

Yes, ICM is a factor, which has more importance as the tournament progresses. I think some "GTO" solvers have some kind of ICM calculations built in, but I'm not sure.

PokerCoaching.com has free 100 BB Charts

Then if you join their paid membership program, you can have access to 75, 40, 25, and 15 BB charts.

I am not a member so I can't say how good they are.

I posted this in another thread but:

I have recently bought this book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Modern-Poke.../dp/1909457892 and it has a bunch of PIOsolver hand range tables for cash and mtts and seems like a perfect/cheap way to get a solid basic understanding (for a completely full range for most stacks/positions you aren't going to get it for free)

It has opening ranges for 15/25/40/60 (iirc), defending ranges, and how to plays vs 3bets.

It also has cashgame ranges for 100bb

Seems the best cheap option i've seen - otherwise you'll need to subscribe to a decent training site that produces many more situation graphs (I have RYE so that is the one I usually use)

I'm going to purchase this book for study for tournaments. Thanks for the info.